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I live in a Chinese dominated country. I can tell you this is because of the absurd nationalistic view that the Chinese hold. For example, I know atleast 5 co-w

by neya 7y ago

I live in a Chinese dominated country. I can tell you this is because of the absurd nationalistic view that the Chinese hold. For example, I know atleast 5 co-workers who sold their iPhones to get a Huawei when the sanction was made. Part of the reason was Huawei phones' prices (even new ones) drastically dropped when the announcement of no more Android support was made, so these guys (and girls) got it at a super good price, but most of it is due to the nationalistic view that they hold towards China. "US is evil, I should support China at such times!" this was the explanation I was given. I was blown away that people could be so nationalistic. I'm neither Chinese nor American, so it was interesting to observe from a neutral standpoint, such nationalistic attitude from people who held double degrees / PhDs who simply believed US is evil and China is the victim. This was very noticeable when Huawei's CFO was arrested. I tried to understand why, so I threw many arguments at them such as Huawei was actually caught sending data back to 3rd party servers in China and I even tried explaining maybe the sanction is on them because they broke the law/agreement w/ the US. But it didn't seem to change anything about the way they thought. They still went ahead and purchased Huawei products like crazy.

KorematsuFred 7y ago
I live in India and not a big fan of China but I purchased a Huawei phone recently. I think Huwei benefited from the publicity they got through US campaign against them.
- atlasunshrugged 7y ago
  I was wondering whether it would be a benefit for them to be knocked by the American govt in some places. I guessed for sure in the ME but I'm a bit surprised about India, I would have figured they would be more on the US side. Or is it that they just benefited from increased name recognition rather than name recognition tied to being harried by the US
  - nine_zeros 7y ago
    Indian people don't give any fs about politics. All they want is best value for price. At the moment, American bullying is not providing that.
  - trhway 7y ago
    >but I'm a bit surprised about India, I would have figured they would be more on the US side. giving US support of Pakistan? :) While China, despite potentially having points of contention with India, seems to have at least for now decided to not angry up the Indian tiger.
    - atlasunshrugged 7y ago
      The U.S. gives support to lots of people, including India. I wouldn't think that'd be that big a deal. Plus, the US aid to Pakistan is pretty unwilling and not because we support them over India but because we need them to not give terrorists shelter (more than they already do I guess) "The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) compiled and published a data in 2015 indicating that from the period 1946-2012, India has been the recipient of highest aid from United States. The amount of economic aid, adjusted to inflation then, was reported to be USD 65.1 billion" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_India
      - trhway 7y ago
        Pakistan has been getting on a scale of $1B/year during the last couple decades at least. Pakistan population is 1/6th of India.
iseeuseeme 7y ago
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- atlasunshrugged 7y ago
  Any sources on this?
  - iseeuseeme 7y ago
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xvilka 7y ago
It would have been nice to have US manufacturer of Android phones, not only iOS devices. Sadly, no such thing existed (Google Pixel is not what I meant).
wyxuan 7y ago
Just wondering, what country is this?
- KaoruAoiShiho 7y ago
  Only country that fits the description of Chinese dominated but not Chinese is Singapore.
  - Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
    Taiwan
    - ksec 7y ago
      I doubt it is Taiwan, the only country I could think of that fits the description is Malaysia.
    - throwaway1997 7y ago
      Taiwan promotes nationalism of its own nation, although it's nowhere near as hardline as the mainland.
      - Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
        > Taiwan promotes nationalism of its own nation Huh? Kuomintang for a long time considered themselves a "tru Chinese", carriers of the spirit of the Chinese nation (as opposd to those godless commies).
        throwaway1997 7y ago
        Regardless of your political views, Taiwan is a different China from mainland China. There are a lot of initiatives to promote a Taiwanese identity such as MIT (Made in Taiwan) and Taiwanization.
  - BubRoss 7y ago
    Singapore is not chinese dominated. It is 70% people of ethnically chinese decent.
tyre 7y ago
China benefits from conflict with America. It foments exactly this kind of reactionary nationalism. The US during the Cold War could rally around large national programs (e.g. space race) and wars (e.g. Vietnam) because there was a foreign enemy. That enemy could be foreign actor (Russia) or an idea (communism) or a person (Saddam, for example.) The spirit of "do your part" is deeply appealing to our core desire to form tribe. The strongest sense of Us comes from a Them.
- avocado4 7y ago
  So does US also similarly benefit from having this conflict with China? Seems like people don't really care about it as much as they do about the opposing party.
- pascalxus 7y ago
  Chinese nationalism is deeply engrained in their belief system. It's also taught from early ages as well.
elfexec 7y ago
> I live in a Chinese dominated country. Like some other commenters, I'd also like to know which this mythical "chinese dominated country" is. Why not just say I'm from X, rather than being so cryptic? So many anecdotal propaganda start off with such vague comments. > I can tell you this is because of the absurd nationalistic view that the Chinese hold. What "absurd" nationalistic views do they hold that you or anyone else doesn't hold? I think everyone, including you, hold the same absurd nationalist views. I suspect that's why you wrote such a strange anti-chinese comment. > For example, I know atleast 5 co-workers who sold their iPhones to get a Huawei when the sanction was made. That's it? In a trade war with the US, "nationalistics" chinese are buying chinese products? In the US, we had "buy american" for decades - even without the trade war. > "US is evil, I should support China at such times!" You mean during a US led trade war against china, the chinese are calling the US evil and supporting their own nation? Do you think they should support the US? > This was very noticeable when Huawei's CFO was arrested. I tried to understand why, so I threw many arguments at them such as Huawei was actually caught sending data back to 3rd party servers in China ... But your arguments had nothing to do with the CFO's arrest. The CFO was arrested because she allegedly lied to banks in order to evade sanctions on Iran and trade with them. There are so many vague "anecdotal" anti-chinese propaganda all over social media that I'm having a hard time believing its not coordinated in some manner. You are trying to make your "chinese" collegues look bad but they are acting like every person would. I'm sure if your "chinese dominated country" were being attacked with a trade war, you'd side with your own nation right?
20191224234044 7y ago
Just know that, if people upvote you, it's not because they think: "I think this constitutes a plausible explanation of the revenue increase being reported on", it's because they think: "I like the fact that this portrayal makes this outgroup of mine look bad".
roenxi 7y ago
> because of the absurd nationalistic view that the Chinese hold Nothing absurd about it. The US government is trying to coerce the Chinese government. Great time for them to feel nationalistic. > I tried to understand why, so I threw many arguments at them such as Huawei was actually caught sending data back to 3rd party servers in China and I even tried explaining maybe the sanction is on them because they broke the law/agreement w/ the US. The core of that argument rests on the idea that Chinese people should accept that the US can dictate how they deal with Iran. And that the US can choose how to enforce compliance to that law. Both of those assumptions are flaky at a basic Chinese-people-should-agree-with-this level. International rule of law would be nice, but the US doesn't particularly constrain themselves by rule of law in the international sphere - they've invaded a lot of countries on flimsy pretexts. That is much worse than trading with people. After that example, why should the Chinese worry about international rules that are inconvenient? For all the fact that their government is brutal and terrifying it hasn't invaded anywhere in the middle east in the last 20 years.
- frequentnapper 7y ago
  So then you also agree that Chinese govt should not be allowed to dictate how other countries deal with Taiwan or comment on Chinese govt politically? Also then you agree that Chinese govt shouldn't be allowed to commit genocide against Uighurs?
  - roenxi 7y ago
    Yes. That seems pretty obvious from what I said.
- atr_gz 7y ago
  Isn’t the core of the issue more that Huawei defrauded some US banks by promising not to use their money to do business with Iran, then went ahead and did it anyways, leading to the banks in question being fined by the US? Your characterization seems a bit misleading.
  - roenxi 7y ago
yzh 7y ago
As a Chinese who spent 7 years in the US and now back in China. I can tell the difference between nationalistic view then (before 2010) and now. Common people used to blindly believe the superiority of the system, but now they believe it with evidence. All things considered, more people are well-educated and they do not blindly believe anything any more. So if they do like something, it must have some real benefit. Actually, Huawei has its own PR crisis just a couple of weeks ago when media exposed that one former Huawei employee was wrongfully jailed for 251 days. I have friends switch from Huawei and to Huawei with all kinds of reasons, but mostly, it is performance and price ratio.
Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
FTFY Americans could be patriotic (GOOD!) Chinese could only be nationalistic (BAD!)
- throwaway1997 7y ago
  Americans can safely criticise and scrutinise their own government in most cases.
  - Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
    not sure how it is related to the situation on hands
    - throwaway1997 7y ago
      In USA the patriotism is a choice, in China it's a requirement
ryuukk_ 7y ago
data being sent to US or China is the same at least china don't try to fuck you up if you want to create global giants US will sue you if you try to compete with them i'm glad they elected trump, now the whole word know exactly how the US is playing, with their own rules, created for their own profit

by neya 7y ago

KorematsuFred 7y ago

I live in India and not a big fan of China but I purchased a Huawei phone recently. I think Huwei benefited from the publicity they got through US campaign against them.

atlasunshrugged 7y ago
I was wondering whether it would be a benefit for them to be knocked by the American govt in some places. I guessed for sure in the ME but I'm a bit surprised about India, I would have figured they would be more on the US side. Or is it that they just benefited from increased name recognition rather than name recognition tied to being harried by the US
- nine_zeros 7y ago
  Indian people don't give any fs about politics. All they want is best value for price. At the moment, American bullying is not providing that.
- trhway 7y ago
  >but I'm a bit surprised about India, I would have figured they would be more on the US side. giving US support of Pakistan? :) While China, despite potentially having points of contention with India, seems to have at least for now decided to not angry up the Indian tiger.
  - atlasunshrugged 7y ago
    The U.S. gives support to lots of people, including India. I wouldn't think that'd be that big a deal. Plus, the US aid to Pakistan is pretty unwilling and not because we support them over India but because we need them to not give terrorists shelter (more than they already do I guess) "The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) compiled and published a data in 2015 indicating that from the period 1946-2012, India has been the recipient of highest aid from United States. The amount of economic aid, adjusted to inflation then, was reported to be USD 65.1 billion" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_India
    - trhway 7y ago
      Pakistan has been getting on a scale of $1B/year during the last couple decades at least. Pakistan population is 1/6th of India.

iseeuseeme 7y ago

atlasunshrugged 7y ago
Any sources on this?
- iseeuseeme 7y ago
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xvilka 7y ago

It would have been nice to have US manufacturer of Android phones, not only iOS devices. Sadly, no such thing existed (Google Pixel is not what I meant).

wyxuan 7y ago

Just wondering, what country is this?

KaoruAoiShiho 7y ago
Only country that fits the description of Chinese dominated but not Chinese is Singapore.
- Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
  Taiwan
  - ksec 7y ago
    I doubt it is Taiwan, the only country I could think of that fits the description is Malaysia.
  - throwaway1997 7y ago
    Taiwan promotes nationalism of its own nation, although it's nowhere near as hardline as the mainland.
    - Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
      > Taiwan promotes nationalism of its own nation Huh? Kuomintang for a long time considered themselves a "tru Chinese", carriers of the spirit of the Chinese nation (as opposd to those godless commies).
      - throwaway1997 7y ago
        Regardless of your political views, Taiwan is a different China from mainland China. There are a lot of initiatives to promote a Taiwanese identity such as MIT (Made in Taiwan) and Taiwanization.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  Singapore is not chinese dominated. It is 70% people of ethnically chinese decent.

tyre 7y ago

China benefits from conflict with America. It foments exactly this kind of reactionary nationalism. The US during the Cold War could rally around large national programs (e.g. space race) and wars (e.g. Vietnam) because there was a foreign enemy. That enemy could be foreign actor (Russia) or an idea (communism) or a person (Saddam, for example.) The spirit of "do your part" is deeply appealing to our core desire to form tribe. The strongest sense of Us comes from a Them.

avocado4 7y ago
So does US also similarly benefit from having this conflict with China? Seems like people don't really care about it as much as they do about the opposing party.
pascalxus 7y ago
Chinese nationalism is deeply engrained in their belief system. It's also taught from early ages as well.

elfexec 7y ago

> I live in a Chinese dominated country. Like some other commenters, I'd also like to know which this mythical "chinese dominated country" is. Why not just say I'm from X, rather than being so cryptic? So many anecdotal propaganda start off with such vague comments. > I can tell you this is because of the absurd nationalistic view that the Chinese hold. What "absurd" nationalistic views do they hold that you or anyone else doesn't hold? I think everyone, including you, hold the same absurd nationalist views. I suspect that's why you wrote such a strange anti-chinese comment. > For example, I know atleast 5 co-workers who sold their iPhones to get a Huawei when the sanction was made. That's it? In a trade war with the US, "nationalistics" chinese are buying chinese products? In the US, we had "buy american" for decades - even without the trade war. > "US is evil, I should support China at such times!" You mean during a US led trade war against china, the chinese are calling the US evil and supporting their own nation? Do you think they should support the US? > This was very noticeable when Huawei's CFO was arrested. I tried to understand why, so I threw many arguments at them such as Huawei was actually caught sending data back to 3rd party servers in China ... But your arguments had nothing to do with the CFO's arrest. The CFO was arrested because she allegedly lied to banks in order to evade sanctions on Iran and trade with them. There are so many vague "anecdotal" anti-chinese propaganda all over social media that I'm having a hard time believing its not coordinated in some manner. You are trying to make your "chinese" collegues look bad but they are acting like every person would. I'm sure if your "chinese dominated country" were being attacked with a trade war, you'd side with your own nation right?

20191224234044 7y ago

Just know that, if people upvote you, it's not because they think: "I think this constitutes a plausible explanation of the revenue increase being reported on", it's because they think: "I like the fact that this portrayal makes this outgroup of mine look bad".

roenxi 7y ago

> because of the absurd nationalistic view that the Chinese hold Nothing absurd about it. The US government is trying to coerce the Chinese government. Great time for them to feel nationalistic. > I tried to understand why, so I threw many arguments at them such as Huawei was actually caught sending data back to 3rd party servers in China and I even tried explaining maybe the sanction is on them because they broke the law/agreement w/ the US. The core of that argument rests on the idea that Chinese people should accept that the US can dictate how they deal with Iran. And that the US can choose how to enforce compliance to that law. Both of those assumptions are flaky at a basic Chinese-people-should-agree-with-this level. International rule of law would be nice, but the US doesn't particularly constrain themselves by rule of law in the international sphere - they've invaded a lot of countries on flimsy pretexts. That is much worse than trading with people. After that example, why should the Chinese worry about international rules that are inconvenient? For all the fact that their government is brutal and terrifying it hasn't invaded anywhere in the middle east in the last 20 years.

frequentnapper 7y ago
So then you also agree that Chinese govt should not be allowed to dictate how other countries deal with Taiwan or comment on Chinese govt politically? Also then you agree that Chinese govt shouldn't be allowed to commit genocide against Uighurs?
- roenxi 7y ago
  Yes. That seems pretty obvious from what I said.
atr_gz 7y ago
Isn’t the core of the issue more that Huawei defrauded some US banks by promising not to use their money to do business with Iran, then went ahead and did it anyways, leading to the banks in question being fined by the US? Your characterization seems a bit misleading.
- roenxi 7y ago

yzh 7y ago

As a Chinese who spent 7 years in the US and now back in China. I can tell the difference between nationalistic view then (before 2010) and now. Common people used to blindly believe the superiority of the system, but now they believe it with evidence. All things considered, more people are well-educated and they do not blindly believe anything any more. So if they do like something, it must have some real benefit. Actually, Huawei has its own PR crisis just a couple of weeks ago when media exposed that one former Huawei employee was wrongfully jailed for 251 days. I have friends switch from Huawei and to Huawei with all kinds of reasons, but mostly, it is performance and price ratio.

Iwan-Zotow 7y ago

FTFY Americans could be patriotic (GOOD!) Chinese could only be nationalistic (BAD!)

throwaway1997 7y ago
Americans can safely criticise and scrutinise their own government in most cases.
- Iwan-Zotow 7y ago
  not sure how it is related to the situation on hands
  - throwaway1997 7y ago
    In USA the patriotism is a choice, in China it's a requirement

ryuukk_ 7y ago

data being sent to US or China is the same at least china don't try to fuck you up if you want to create global giants US will sue you if you try to compete with them i'm glad they elected trump, now the whole word know exactly how the US is playing, with their own rules, created for their own profit