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Probably the "China Cables". The manual used to run the Xinjiang concentration camps. Leaked just a few month ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cables h

by zrth 7y ago

Probably the "China Cables". The manual used to run the Xinjiang concentration camps. Leaked just a few month ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cables Wiki: The China Cables are a small cache of secret Chinese government documents contained in a telegram, 4 bulletins and one court document from 2017. The cables were leaked by exiled Uighurs to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and published on November 24, 2019. The telegram details the first known operations manual for running the 1,300 to 1,400 mass internment camps of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang, which China denied until 2018 and since calls re-education camps.

corporate_shi11 7y ago
1,300 to 1,400! The scale of this is sufficient for true cultural genocide.
- zrth 7y ago
  Its not 1300 detainees its 1,300 to 1,400 mass internment camps! There are only about 12 Million Uyghurs to stat with. Thats 1 Camp for every ~ 10K Uyghurs! According to wiki there are 1 million – 3 million detainees.
  - corporate_shi11 7y ago
    And we sit idly by and do nothing. Yet companies and famous people have the gall to publicly criticize in the most damning terms the United States while meekly saying not a word against the almighty CCP.
    - blaser-waffle 7y ago
      Such is the allure of cheap goods and large consumer bases.
  - philwelch 7y ago
    Meanwhile the ones who aren’t detained are held in check by the threat of detention. Uighur women whose husbands are detained are forced to accept CCP men into their homes and share their beds with them.
  - Fnoord 7y ago
    The concentration camps of North Korea can be seen on Google Maps. Surely, the US government is aware of them as well, given the high quality of their satellites [1]. Hence, I'd assume if these "internment camps" are viewable from outside, then the US government knows about them as well. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21202600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21202600
    - zrth 7y ago
      Sure. Its no secret. https://www.google.com/search?q=china+concentration+camps+satellite&source=lnms https://www.google.com/search?q=china+concentration+camps+sa...
- gjvnq 7y ago
  1,400 factorial is about 10^3798 which is a lot of people. More than there are atoms in the universe in fact.
winrid 7y ago
I wonder how they get into the camps? Very strict laws targeting them? The Uighurs did commit terrorist attacks but I don't think millions of people were involved?
- zrth 7y ago
  AFAIR: The cables have a few partial answers to your question: There is a centralized system that can give detainment orders. (supposedly a Blackbox to the People at least who follow its orders with boots on the ground) One day apparently it spat out 24k names. They managed to imprison about 9k the following day. Naturally the government know quite a few things about what you’re up to and this is a factor. Going to the mosque is a supposedly the easy way in. Not sure in what xinjiang city the mosques are still accessible. All I could find was locked down ones with all kinds of barricades and monitoring devices.. I would be surprised if there was in Xinjiang unlike eat china anyone left who would dare to go to a mosque. Some of the detainees are used by the state as force labor and leased out to companies. It’s speculated that this demand also can causes mass detainment.
  - winrid 7y ago
    Thanks!
- zrth 7y ago
  > The Uighurs did commit terrorist attacks One in every 5 or 6 Uighurs could be in a camp right now Yet maybe only 1 in 1e-07 Uighur might have done so called "terror", these however are in jail or dead, not in a camp. The "camps" are not part of the Penal system in China. Camp is not for the radical. [0] Merly handsome former goat farmers who operated little blue cell phone stores in the city and love to drink tea or maybe sell steamed food to others who operate little blue cellphone stores. A few hands full of the maybe ~100 terrorists (2019-1992 that i could find documented in 15 min) either did not survive camputere or were legally convicted by the authorities and executed or are in inside the penal system, some forever. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_system_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_system_in_China "These camps are reportedly operated outside the legal system" (the ~21Mil Xinjiangies are 48% Uyghurs and 41% Han) More reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Quanguo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Quanguo Chen Quanguo is a Chinese politician and current Communist Party Secretary of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region and a member of the 19th Politburo of the Communist Party of China..

by zrth 7y ago

corporate_shi11 7y ago

1,300 to 1,400! The scale of this is sufficient for true cultural genocide.

zrth 7y ago
Its not 1300 detainees its 1,300 to 1,400 mass internment camps! There are only about 12 Million Uyghurs to stat with. Thats 1 Camp for every ~ 10K Uyghurs! According to wiki there are 1 million – 3 million detainees.
- corporate_shi11 7y ago
  And we sit idly by and do nothing. Yet companies and famous people have the gall to publicly criticize in the most damning terms the United States while meekly saying not a word against the almighty CCP.
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    Such is the allure of cheap goods and large consumer bases.
- philwelch 7y ago
  Meanwhile the ones who aren’t detained are held in check by the threat of detention. Uighur women whose husbands are detained are forced to accept CCP men into their homes and share their beds with them.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  The concentration camps of North Korea can be seen on Google Maps. Surely, the US government is aware of them as well, given the high quality of their satellites [1]. Hence, I'd assume if these "internment camps" are viewable from outside, then the US government knows about them as well. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21202600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21202600
  - zrth 7y ago
    Sure. Its no secret. https://www.google.com/search?q=china+concentration+camps+satellite&source=lnms https://www.google.com/search?q=china+concentration+camps+sa...
gjvnq 7y ago
1,400 factorial is about 10^3798 which is a lot of people. More than there are atoms in the universe in fact.

winrid 7y ago

I wonder how they get into the camps? Very strict laws targeting them? The Uighurs did commit terrorist attacks but I don't think millions of people were involved?

zrth 7y ago
AFAIR: The cables have a few partial answers to your question: There is a centralized system that can give detainment orders. (supposedly a Blackbox to the People at least who follow its orders with boots on the ground) One day apparently it spat out 24k names. They managed to imprison about 9k the following day. Naturally the government know quite a few things about what you’re up to and this is a factor. Going to the mosque is a supposedly the easy way in. Not sure in what xinjiang city the mosques are still accessible. All I could find was locked down ones with all kinds of barricades and monitoring devices.. I would be surprised if there was in Xinjiang unlike eat china anyone left who would dare to go to a mosque. Some of the detainees are used by the state as force labor and leased out to companies. It’s speculated that this demand also can causes mass detainment.
- winrid 7y ago
  Thanks!
zrth 7y ago
> The Uighurs did commit terrorist attacks One in every 5 or 6 Uighurs could be in a camp right now Yet maybe only 1 in 1e-07 Uighur might have done so called "terror", these however are in jail or dead, not in a camp. The "camps" are not part of the Penal system in China. Camp is not for the radical. [0] Merly handsome former goat farmers who operated little blue cell phone stores in the city and love to drink tea or maybe sell steamed food to others who operate little blue cellphone stores. A few hands full of the maybe ~100 terrorists (2019-1992 that i could find documented in 15 min) either did not survive camputere or were legally convicted by the authorities and executed or are in inside the penal system, some forever. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_system_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_system_in_China "These camps are reportedly operated outside the legal system" (the ~21Mil Xinjiangies are 48% Uyghurs and 41% Han) More reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Quanguo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Quanguo Chen Quanguo is a Chinese politician and current Communist Party Secretary of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region and a member of the 19th Politburo of the Communist Party of China..