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Why Games for AI?

43 points by p4bl0 7y ago

sanxiyn 7y ago
On procedural generation, see also OpenAI's effort: https://openai.com/blog/procgen-benchmark/ https://openai.com/blog/procgen-benchmark/
YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
>> Limited resources only limit limited brains. Okay. Here's a test I would like to propose to the author of the piece. If you have children, ensure that they spend their first 16 years of life malnourished, deprived of emotional and intellectual stimulation and deprived of any education. I would say that that would put them in a situation where they have "limited resources". Then let's see how their brains develop. If they're smart kids, they should grow up fine, yes? According to the maxim at the top of the article, anyway. It doesn't matter if you don't have anything to eat, if you don't have anyone to care for you and don't have access to a good education: if your brain is not "limited", then you should thrive anyway.
- amelius 7y ago
  But you assume that the brain of any child is unlimited.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
    Rather, I assume the author will expect her kids brains to not be limited.
- AndrewKemendo 7y ago
  I'd go further. Put them in an unlit padded room that has a TV screen so that they have no other sensory input than visual. Only show them a few captioned images in repeated succession for brief periods. It's absurd for people who are experts in the field to compare human systems with current state of the art Deep Learning, and it's getting frustrating.
AndrewKemendo 7y ago
>All right, let’s take another example to mark the distinction- when we touch a hot saucepan we instantly pull our hand away, what kind of intelligence would you call it since it isn’t a goal-oriented intelligence? Maybe consciousness?! This is an amazing leap. The Intelligence in reflexes is the intelligence of the peripheral nervous system! Made up of motor neurons which can learn just like every other neuron! That the author would completely ignore the physical body as an intelligent system and jump to the muddy concept of consciousness, because it's been so ingrained that the brain is the only intelligent thing we have, continues to baffle me. Especially that the researcher is a Post-Doc at UCLA under Pearl!

43 points by p4bl0 7y ago

On procedural generation, see also OpenAI's effort: https://openai.com/blog/procgen-benchmark/ https://openai.com/blog/procgen-benchmark/

YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago

>> Limited resources only limit limited brains. Okay. Here's a test I would like to propose to the author of the piece. If you have children, ensure that they spend their first 16 years of life malnourished, deprived of emotional and intellectual stimulation and deprived of any education. I would say that that would put them in a situation where they have "limited resources". Then let's see how their brains develop. If they're smart kids, they should grow up fine, yes? According to the maxim at the top of the article, anyway. It doesn't matter if you don't have anything to eat, if you don't have anyone to care for you and don't have access to a good education: if your brain is not "limited", then you should thrive anyway.

amelius 7y ago
But you assume that the brain of any child is unlimited.
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
  Rather, I assume the author will expect her kids brains to not be limited.
AndrewKemendo 7y ago
I'd go further. Put them in an unlit padded room that has a TV screen so that they have no other sensory input than visual. Only show them a few captioned images in repeated succession for brief periods. It's absurd for people who are experts in the field to compare human systems with current state of the art Deep Learning, and it's getting frustrating.

AndrewKemendo 7y ago

>All right, let’s take another example to mark the distinction- when we touch a hot saucepan we instantly pull our hand away, what kind of intelligence would you call it since it isn’t a goal-oriented intelligence? Maybe consciousness?! This is an amazing leap. The Intelligence in reflexes is the intelligence of the peripheral nervous system! Made up of motor neurons which can learn just like every other neuron! That the author would completely ignore the physical body as an intelligent system and jump to the muddy concept of consciousness, because it's been so ingrained that the brain is the only intelligent thing we have, continues to baffle me. Especially that the researcher is a Post-Doc at UCLA under Pearl!