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>For Valve, it would only apply to tangible games, not to online licenses. According to the UFC, the initial purchaser must be able to resell these games second
by bdz 7y ago
>For Valve, it would only apply to tangible games, not to online licenses. According to the UFC, the initial purchaser must be able to resell these games second-hand, even those acquired on the platform.
Sounds like physical games that must be activated on Steam to be able to be played. Once you activate them you can't play on another account even if you have the DVD (but sometimes it's just a code in the case). That's an opposite of most physical console games that can be resold and played on other consoles, under other accounts.
For example I have The Evil Within phsyical collector's edition (awesome game btw) and it comes with a Steam code. I can't play the game under other Steam accounts. And the physical DVDs are worthless, I can't resold them. On the other hand if I would have bought the game on PS4 or XBox One I could just give the disks to someone else and they can play the game no problem.
- nolok 7y agoGiven that the EU court has confirmed it was legal to resale your own digital Oracle license AND Oracle had to allow the new buyer the same downloads/update/support as the original one (and given that it's Oracle), I'm not sure the ruling would be different with purely digital games. https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/3/3134867/eu-court-of-justice-used-software-download-ruling https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/3/3134867/eu-court-of-justic...
- PopeDotNinja 7y agoAbout 7 years ago I had purchased an annual LinkedIn subscription. About a month into it I decided I didn't like running a recruiting business anymore. I was stuck with the subscription. I found someone who was willing to buy it off me for maybe 20% of what they would have paid. LinkedIn had zero interest in letting and/or helping me transfer to another person. What I ended up doing was adding the buyer to my company account, changing the company name (on LinkedIn), and then had them remove me. It worked great!
- gamblor956 7y agoWhich is why Oracle now provides mostly subscriptions instead of licenses.
- astrobe_ 7y agoEven with console cartridges what you buy is not the hardware but a license to use a copyrighted material. Copyright laws does not restrict the buyer from reselling, that's called "first sale doctrine" or "exhaustion of rights". You can resell books and movies, you should be able to resell game licenses.
- nolok 7y ago> Even with console cartridges what you buy is not the hardware but a license to use a copyrighted material And I'm pretty sure that's why copying your own games/movies was decided legal here (as long as you don't share them), because the publisher themselves made it so the physical media is not the product.
- sbarre 7y agoWhat about digital movies? Or eBooks? Can you resell those after you've watched them? Not arguing for either side here, just saying digital goods can be a bit more complicated than you're making them out to be. First sale doctrine made sense when part of the cost of an item was the physical product itself, but with digital products, there's a near-zero production/distribution cost, so you're really only paying for the right to consume the media (book, movie, game, music, etc) So in that case, what exactly are you reselling at that point?
- raverbashing 7y agoI think there was a recent decision by the ECJ saying that eBooks were not resellable, but I'm not sure about the details
- user5994461 7y agoInteresting question. You actually can't resell digital movies in France because you can't buy a digital movie per se. The common digital platforms operate on a 24h or 48h rental basis. You actually don't own the movie. You pay to view it once, you could view it multiple times within that timeframe, then it's gone.
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- zouhair 7y agoYup that's what a DRM system is.