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There is anecdotal information that he does indeed do what he claims. And he is the most impressive CEO in this generation, perhaps in history, so long hours mu

There is anecdotal information that he does indeed do what he claims. And he is the most impressive CEO in this generation, perhaps in history, so long hours must work for some people.

dvt 7y ago
> ... he is the most impressive CEO in this generation, perhaps in history How anyone can say this with a straight face blows my mind when even in the tech vertical he has some serious competition (are we forgetting about Jeff Bezos, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.), let alone actual historical figures like Henry Ford, John Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, etc.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  It's too early to judge. If he accomplishes his goal of establishing permanent and self-sustaining human settlements on other worlds then he may end up being the most important person ever, not just CEO. His goals, at least, are ambitious in a way that those of the other people you mentioned aren't (except possibly Bezos, but Bezos doesn't laser focus on this stuff the same way Musk does).
  - DreamScatter 7y ago
    There is no such thing as the most important person ever... all he did was fund some interesting ideas, which other people actually built. If we are going to single someone out for being the most important person ever, then that person would need to have some enormous achievement completed without the help of others.
- mikeg8 7y ago
  >How anyone can say this with a straight face blows my mind Elon is the only person to ever start four 1bn+ companies (paypal, tesla, SpaceX, Solarcity). He has/is driving innovation across multiple industries on a time scale that I don't think any of the people you mentioned can really touch, not to mention hyperloop and the Boring Company. Its not even debatable IMO.
  - bdcravens 7y ago
    > Elon is the only person to ever start four 1bn+ companies (paypal, tesla, SpaceX, Solarcity). He didn't start Tesla. He was retroactively allowed to be called founder after being in their Series A. He didn't start Paypal. It merged with Musk's company. He didn't start Solarcity - Tesla acquired it 10 years after it was founded.
  - NathanKP 7y ago
    I'd still say that John Rockefeller is more impressive. Adjusted for inflation John Rockefeller's company Standard Oil was worth over $1 trillion. Or Johan van Oldenbarnevelt, the guy who started the Dutch East India company, which adjusted for inflation was worth over $8.2 trillion. Modern companies have nothing on what entrepreneurs did in the past and how much money they made. It doesn't matter how many markets Elon Musk "disrupts" nothing he can do will ever match the impact that the Dutch East India company had on the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company
    - zarkov99 7y ago
      Well sure, but these guys did not make that much money because they were better CEO's, they benefited from the context of the times. What Musk has done with Tesla and SpaceX, simultaneously is absolutely mind blowing and it is hard to imagine anyone topping that, like ever. He created incredibly successful companies in some of the most competitive, most capital intensive, most research driven businesses that exist. It is amazing to me the man is not given his proper due. What he did was super-human and, in the long, could actually put a dent in the Universe.
    - anon73044 7y ago
      >I'd still say that John Rockefeller is more impressive. Adjusted for inflation John Rockefeller's company Standard Oil was worth over $1 trillion dollars. >Or Johan van Oldenbarnevelt, the guy who started the Dutch East India company Yeah, it's amazing what those guys could get away with back in the days of slavery and before regulation. /sarcasm
rifung 7y ago
> And he is the most impressive CEO in this generation, perhaps in history, so long hours must work for some people. Even if we assume the first statement is true, which is a big if, it still doesn't necessarily support the idea that working long hours is good. After all, you can't tell whether he was successful because of, or despite the long hours.
- Enginerrrd 7y ago
  I think there's something to be said for the nature of the work you are doing. If you absolutely love what you're doing, you can burn hours long and fast and hard. I think Elon gets his head wrapped around a problem and just eats lives and breathes that problem to the point that the long hours are natural. I've been there on stuff, where I have to fight to tear myself away rather than fighting to keep myself doing it. The latter sucks and will destroy you quickly, but the former isn't so bad for the psyche.
shanemlk 7y ago
CEO is different from employee with no stake in the company. Sure, he probably does spend 80+ hours on his companies, but he's enjoying it. He's not beholden to any expectations of a manager. He's spending time reading/exploring/chatting and including that as 90 hours of work. Musk has no line drawn between work and play. I think Musk flaunts this public image to encourage a breakdown of work and play, not to say you should spend 90 hours checking boxes your manager gave you.
bdcravens 7y ago
Or his sleep patterns are completely orthogonal to his success.
- zarkov99 7y ago
  That is hard to imagine isn't it? Sleep is a pretty big deal.
wbronitsky 7y ago
Wow I’m so tired of this breathless deifying of Elon Musk. I don’t understand why people continue to talk about his personal life instead of the innovations he brings to business; there might be things to learn about how Musk does business, but you have to wade through this inane sheen of worship by his followers to get any of that information. According to many, he is the greatest man that ever lived, but if you read most takes, it seems to be simply because he smoked a joint with Joe Rogan that one time. There has to be more to him than ROCKETS, ZOOM ZOOM CARS, FLAMETHROWERS!!!!!

There is anecdotal information that he does indeed do what he claims. And he is the most impressive CEO in this generation, perhaps in history, so long hours must work for some people.

dvt 7y ago

> ... he is the most impressive CEO in this generation, perhaps in history How anyone can say this with a straight face blows my mind when even in the tech vertical he has some serious competition (are we forgetting about Jeff Bezos, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc.), let alone actual historical figures like Henry Ford, John Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, etc.

CydeWeys 7y ago
It's too early to judge. If he accomplishes his goal of establishing permanent and self-sustaining human settlements on other worlds then he may end up being the most important person ever, not just CEO. His goals, at least, are ambitious in a way that those of the other people you mentioned aren't (except possibly Bezos, but Bezos doesn't laser focus on this stuff the same way Musk does).
- DreamScatter 7y ago
  There is no such thing as the most important person ever... all he did was fund some interesting ideas, which other people actually built. If we are going to single someone out for being the most important person ever, then that person would need to have some enormous achievement completed without the help of others.
mikeg8 7y ago
>How anyone can say this with a straight face blows my mind Elon is the only person to ever start four 1bn+ companies (paypal, tesla, SpaceX, Solarcity). He has/is driving innovation across multiple industries on a time scale that I don't think any of the people you mentioned can really touch, not to mention hyperloop and the Boring Company. Its not even debatable IMO.
- bdcravens 7y ago
  > Elon is the only person to ever start four 1bn+ companies (paypal, tesla, SpaceX, Solarcity). He didn't start Tesla. He was retroactively allowed to be called founder after being in their Series A. He didn't start Paypal. It merged with Musk's company. He didn't start Solarcity - Tesla acquired it 10 years after it was founded.
- NathanKP 7y ago
  I'd still say that John Rockefeller is more impressive. Adjusted for inflation John Rockefeller's company Standard Oil was worth over $1 trillion. Or Johan van Oldenbarnevelt, the guy who started the Dutch East India company, which adjusted for inflation was worth over $8.2 trillion. Modern companies have nothing on what entrepreneurs did in the past and how much money they made. It doesn't matter how many markets Elon Musk "disrupts" nothing he can do will ever match the impact that the Dutch East India company had on the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company
  - zarkov99 7y ago
    Well sure, but these guys did not make that much money because they were better CEO's, they benefited from the context of the times. What Musk has done with Tesla and SpaceX, simultaneously is absolutely mind blowing and it is hard to imagine anyone topping that, like ever. He created incredibly successful companies in some of the most competitive, most capital intensive, most research driven businesses that exist. It is amazing to me the man is not given his proper due. What he did was super-human and, in the long, could actually put a dent in the Universe.
  - anon73044 7y ago
    >I'd still say that John Rockefeller is more impressive. Adjusted for inflation John Rockefeller's company Standard Oil was worth over $1 trillion dollars. >Or Johan van Oldenbarnevelt, the guy who started the Dutch East India company Yeah, it's amazing what those guys could get away with back in the days of slavery and before regulation. /sarcasm

rifung 7y ago

> And he is the most impressive CEO in this generation, perhaps in history, so long hours must work for some people. Even if we assume the first statement is true, which is a big if, it still doesn't necessarily support the idea that working long hours is good. After all, you can't tell whether he was successful because of, or despite the long hours.

Enginerrrd 7y ago
I think there's something to be said for the nature of the work you are doing. If you absolutely love what you're doing, you can burn hours long and fast and hard. I think Elon gets his head wrapped around a problem and just eats lives and breathes that problem to the point that the long hours are natural. I've been there on stuff, where I have to fight to tear myself away rather than fighting to keep myself doing it. The latter sucks and will destroy you quickly, but the former isn't so bad for the psyche.

shanemlk 7y ago

CEO is different from employee with no stake in the company. Sure, he probably does spend 80+ hours on his companies, but he's enjoying it. He's not beholden to any expectations of a manager. He's spending time reading/exploring/chatting and including that as 90 hours of work. Musk has no line drawn between work and play. I think Musk flaunts this public image to encourage a breakdown of work and play, not to say you should spend 90 hours checking boxes your manager gave you.

bdcravens 7y ago

Or his sleep patterns are completely orthogonal to his success.

zarkov99 7y ago
That is hard to imagine isn't it? Sleep is a pretty big deal.

wbronitsky 7y ago

Wow I’m so tired of this breathless deifying of Elon Musk. I don’t understand why people continue to talk about his personal life instead of the innovations he brings to business; there might be things to learn about how Musk does business, but you have to wade through this inane sheen of worship by his followers to get any of that information. According to many, he is the greatest man that ever lived, but if you read most takes, it seems to be simply because he smoked a joint with Joe Rogan that one time. There has to be more to him than ROCKETS, ZOOM ZOOM CARS, FLAMETHROWERS!!!!!