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You forgot the "recommended for you" section that contains all movies in a foreign language because you accidentally watched an artsy noir movie six months ago

You forgot the "recommended for you" section that contains all movies in a foreign language because you accidentally watched an artsy noir movie six months ago and didn't realize it was subtitled until almost 30 minutes into it because there was no dialog.

mnky9800n 7y ago
Machine learning is taking over the world.
- vidanay 7y ago
  And it sucks 99% of the time
- mpweiher 7y ago
  aka "artificial stupidity"
  - asdff 7y ago
    "it wasn't us it was the model"
wutbrodo 7y ago
> because you accidentally watched an artsy noir movie six months ago and didn't realize it was subtitled until almost 30 minutes into it because there was no dialog. This is a really weird thing to do, and a really weird basis for complaint about ML recommenders. I'd imagine that 99.9% of people who watched _30 minutes_ of an artsy foreign-language noir film are people who are inclined to enjoy artsy noir films (or at least trying it out). The only reasonable complaint here is that recommender systems can be overly sticky when they don't provide a way to provide strong negative feedback (eg YouTube's "not interested" option).
- dx87 7y ago
  I know I've accidentally done it before. There's enough movies that take place in international locations that it isn't uncommon for a movie to start out subtitled while setting up the plot, then switch over to English with the main character. For the movie I watched, there was nothing in Netflix saying it's a foreign language movie, and after watching the movie for a while, I looked it up online to see if the whole movie is subtitled. If I had known the entire movie was subtitled, I'd have never started it, but Netflix doesn't tell you that in the description.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    Tangent: I find subtitles easier to follow than audio dialogue. My biggest complaint about subtitles, if I were going to complain, would be that they draw my attention so much that I might miss visuals appearing elsewhere on the screen. I don't really understand why people object to them. But this does appear to be a minority position.
    - magicalhippo 7y ago
      This isn't Netflix specific, but I really hate how subtitles often spoil plot elements, sometimes very important ones. For example, in a scene the main character might see a new person for the first time. There's nothing in the movie so far to indicate that the main character knows the other person. Yet the subtitles may reveal that other characters name when the subtitled dialog goes "CARL: Hello there", which might ruin an important plot point. I really don't understand why they keep doing this.
      - mwcampbell 7y ago
        The subtitle writers should learn a lesson from the people who write audio descriptions for the blind. At least in the best audio descriptions, a person's name isn't mentioned in the description until after it's mentioned in the dialogue. Until then, they'll say "the tall man" or whatever.
- marcosdumay 7y ago
  If you have 3 movies on your history, and one is an artsy one that you got away after 30 minutes, the evidence is pointing that you like artsy movies, but didn't like this one. If you have 100 movies on your history, and one is an artsy one that you got away after 30 minutes, the evidence is pointing that you will not like anything else like it.
balladeer 7y ago
And when you actually try to search for a noir movie you get exactly 2 noir movies and then a bunch of other movies you wonder why they are there. I guess they just fill the page of any search by random titles.

mnky9800n 7y ago

Machine learning is taking over the world.

vidanay 7y ago
And it sucks 99% of the time
mpweiher 7y ago
aka "artificial stupidity"
- asdff 7y ago
  "it wasn't us it was the model"

wutbrodo 7y ago

> because you accidentally watched an artsy noir movie six months ago and didn't realize it was subtitled until almost 30 minutes into it because there was no dialog. This is a really weird thing to do, and a really weird basis for complaint about ML recommenders. I'd imagine that 99.9% of people who watched _30 minutes_ of an artsy foreign-language noir film are people who are inclined to enjoy artsy noir films (or at least trying it out). The only reasonable complaint here is that recommender systems can be overly sticky when they don't provide a way to provide strong negative feedback (eg YouTube's "not interested" option).

dx87 7y ago
I know I've accidentally done it before. There's enough movies that take place in international locations that it isn't uncommon for a movie to start out subtitled while setting up the plot, then switch over to English with the main character. For the movie I watched, there was nothing in Netflix saying it's a foreign language movie, and after watching the movie for a while, I looked it up online to see if the whole movie is subtitled. If I had known the entire movie was subtitled, I'd have never started it, but Netflix doesn't tell you that in the description.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  Tangent: I find subtitles easier to follow than audio dialogue. My biggest complaint about subtitles, if I were going to complain, would be that they draw my attention so much that I might miss visuals appearing elsewhere on the screen. I don't really understand why people object to them. But this does appear to be a minority position.
  - magicalhippo 7y ago
    This isn't Netflix specific, but I really hate how subtitles often spoil plot elements, sometimes very important ones. For example, in a scene the main character might see a new person for the first time. There's nothing in the movie so far to indicate that the main character knows the other person. Yet the subtitles may reveal that other characters name when the subtitled dialog goes "CARL: Hello there", which might ruin an important plot point. I really don't understand why they keep doing this.
    - mwcampbell 7y ago
      The subtitle writers should learn a lesson from the people who write audio descriptions for the blind. At least in the best audio descriptions, a person's name isn't mentioned in the description until after it's mentioned in the dialogue. Until then, they'll say "the tall man" or whatever.
marcosdumay 7y ago
If you have 3 movies on your history, and one is an artsy one that you got away after 30 minutes, the evidence is pointing that you like artsy movies, but didn't like this one. If you have 100 movies on your history, and one is an artsy one that you got away after 30 minutes, the evidence is pointing that you will not like anything else like it.

balladeer 7y ago

And when you actually try to search for a noir movie you get exactly 2 noir movies and then a bunch of other movies you wonder why they are there. I guess they just fill the page of any search by random titles.