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If you don’t feel subjectively better after exercise than before, the solution is to add to the intensity and keep trying. I wonder what percentage of max heart

by voisin 7y ago

If you don’t feel subjectively better after exercise than before, the solution is to add to the intensity and keep trying. I wonder what percentage of max heart rate he averaged.

thrower123 7y ago
This is such a bizarre mindset. It's sort of like "the beatings will continue until morale improves."
- mentat 7y ago
  More like "the exercising should continue until you're actually exercising". Going through some motions that don't stress the body isn't exercise...
- throwlaplace 7y ago
  pleasure experienced during exercise does scale with intensity but only to a certain point https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/11590680-000000000-00000 https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/11590680-000000000...
- tacon 7y ago
  Intensity is 80-90% of the determinant of a muscle's adaptive response to load. If you plan to get somewhere near your genetic potential in strength and size, you will need to use rather high intensity to deeply fatigue ("inroad") the muscle. But you also have to not repeat that stimulus for days to a week, to allow recovery in people like us with middle of the bell curve genetics. The ideal profile for building strength is exercise that is intense, brief, and infrequent. Yes, it is unpleasant for a couple of minutes per muscle group, once or twice a week. So what? Do you enjoy brushing your teeth? Or do you just do it and get it over with? Note, this is for strength training. Skill building for sports, or general physical activity, is a different protocol, depending on the activity. One of my favorite recent book titles is "If You Like Exercise ... Chances Are You're Doing It Wrong: Proper Strength Training for Maximum Results"[0], which is another book about the work of exercise genius Arthur Jones, inventor of Nautilus and MedX equipment. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Exercise-Chances-Youre-Doing-Wrong/dp/1475974418/ https://www.amazon.com/Exercise-Chances-Youre-Doing-Wrong/dp... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7GB3h82tcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7GB3h82tcQ [2] https://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Research-Strength-Training/dp/0071597174 https://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Research-Strength-Traini...
groby_b 7y ago
That's... pretty much nonsense. Maybe some people feel better after exercise than before, but for the vast majority of people I've talked to, they're mostly exhausted after exercising. Same goes for me. And yes, I regularly exercise significant chunks of time at 80%+ of MHR. And yes, I've done it for extended amounts of time, too. I've done half marathons. I've run somewhat decent times for my age. I was bored out of my skull while doing it. I certainly didn't feel a big endorphin rush.
- justAnotherNET 7y ago
  I am convinced a solid portion of the population can’t experience “runners high”. I never have, and have similar history to what you describe.
janderland 7y ago
This has been my experience as well. You need to start out slow and let your body adjust, and at different points I’ve had different levels of highs. The rush came for me when I was pushing myself towards my limit without pain, and that didn’t happen until I had set a certain baseline of endurance.
cocoa19 7y ago
I've been doing HIIT for a while. Always very intense and I end up demolished and definitely not feeling better afterwards, just really tired. I asked my trainer if it ever gets any easier, in his words, "No, you just get stronger". Feeling subjectively better after a workout session might be in the same line as "happens to some people".
JamesBarney 7y ago
This might be true of some people at some intensities but it is not universally true. The more intense my exercise the worse I feel afterwards. @ 70% of max hr I feel pretty good afterward. 80% and I start feeling pretty tired. At 90-95% I get super irritable, nauseous, and can't sleep.
Ididntdothis 7y ago
I love being totally exhausted but it took me a while to accept that a lot of people don’t like it. People are different. I never had weight problems and it also took me a while that what’s easy for me is hard for others. But then I can’t wean myself off chocolate which is easy for others.
nradov 7y ago
The current recommended best practice for most athletes is to do only about 20% of training near max heart rate and the remaining 80% at much lower intensity. Otherwise you won't recover correctly.
dredmorbius 7y ago
This is fundamentally true. Keep in mind that this doesn't mean "100% effort, 100% of the time". Rather, the body is extraordinarily effective in responding to brief sessions of intense activity. For cardio, high intensity interval training (HIIT), and Tabata intervals in particular (20 seconds effort, 10 seconds recovery, repeated 8 times). This can be done with virtually any activity -- low-weight squats, rowing machine, sprints, burpbees, spinning, running. For strength -- a small number of moderate-to-high weight sets (3-8 reps, 3-4 sets) -- 2-3x weekly, is more than sufficient to build muscle. Long, low-intensity effort -- cardio or strength -- has relatively low yield . You can and generally should train efficiently. The most important factor, though, is consistency over time. That is: get your workout in, and do that 2-3x a week, every week, year in and out. Rewards don't come from a heroic effort in a single workout, but consistency over time, with progressively (over weeks and months) greater challenges (more weight, effort, reps).

by voisin 7y ago

If you don’t feel subjectively better after exercise than before, the solution is to add to the intensity and keep trying. I wonder what percentage of max heart rate he averaged.

thrower123 7y ago

This is such a bizarre mindset. It's sort of like "the beatings will continue until morale improves."

mentat 7y ago
More like "the exercising should continue until you're actually exercising". Going through some motions that don't stress the body isn't exercise...
throwlaplace 7y ago
pleasure experienced during exercise does scale with intensity but only to a certain point https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/11590680-000000000-00000 https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/11590680-000000000...
tacon 7y ago
Intensity is 80-90% of the determinant of a muscle's adaptive response to load. If you plan to get somewhere near your genetic potential in strength and size, you will need to use rather high intensity to deeply fatigue ("inroad") the muscle. But you also have to not repeat that stimulus for days to a week, to allow recovery in people like us with middle of the bell curve genetics. The ideal profile for building strength is exercise that is intense, brief, and infrequent. Yes, it is unpleasant for a couple of minutes per muscle group, once or twice a week. So what? Do you enjoy brushing your teeth? Or do you just do it and get it over with? Note, this is for strength training. Skill building for sports, or general physical activity, is a different protocol, depending on the activity. One of my favorite recent book titles is "If You Like Exercise ... Chances Are You're Doing It Wrong: Proper Strength Training for Maximum Results"[0], which is another book about the work of exercise genius Arthur Jones, inventor of Nautilus and MedX equipment. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Exercise-Chances-Youre-Doing-Wrong/dp/1475974418/ https://www.amazon.com/Exercise-Chances-Youre-Doing-Wrong/dp... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7GB3h82tcQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7GB3h82tcQ [2] https://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Research-Strength-Training/dp/0071597174 https://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Research-Strength-Traini...

groby_b 7y ago

That's... pretty much nonsense. Maybe some people feel better after exercise than before, but for the vast majority of people I've talked to, they're mostly exhausted after exercising. Same goes for me. And yes, I regularly exercise significant chunks of time at 80%+ of MHR. And yes, I've done it for extended amounts of time, too. I've done half marathons. I've run somewhat decent times for my age. I was bored out of my skull while doing it. I certainly didn't feel a big endorphin rush.

justAnotherNET 7y ago
I am convinced a solid portion of the population can’t experience “runners high”. I never have, and have similar history to what you describe.

janderland 7y ago

This has been my experience as well. You need to start out slow and let your body adjust, and at different points I’ve had different levels of highs. The rush came for me when I was pushing myself towards my limit without pain, and that didn’t happen until I had set a certain baseline of endurance.

cocoa19 7y ago

I've been doing HIIT for a while. Always very intense and I end up demolished and definitely not feeling better afterwards, just really tired. I asked my trainer if it ever gets any easier, in his words, "No, you just get stronger". Feeling subjectively better after a workout session might be in the same line as "happens to some people".

JamesBarney 7y ago

This might be true of some people at some intensities but it is not universally true. The more intense my exercise the worse I feel afterwards. @ 70% of max hr I feel pretty good afterward. 80% and I start feeling pretty tired. At 90-95% I get super irritable, nauseous, and can't sleep.

Ididntdothis 7y ago

I love being totally exhausted but it took me a while to accept that a lot of people don’t like it. People are different. I never had weight problems and it also took me a while that what’s easy for me is hard for others. But then I can’t wean myself off chocolate which is easy for others.

nradov 7y ago

The current recommended best practice for most athletes is to do only about 20% of training near max heart rate and the remaining 80% at much lower intensity. Otherwise you won't recover correctly.

dredmorbius 7y ago

This is fundamentally true. Keep in mind that this doesn't mean "100% effort, 100% of the time". Rather, the body is extraordinarily effective in responding to brief sessions of intense activity. For cardio, high intensity interval training (HIIT), and Tabata intervals in particular (20 seconds effort, 10 seconds recovery, repeated 8 times). This can be done with virtually any activity -- low-weight squats, rowing machine, sprints, burpbees, spinning, running. For strength -- a small number of moderate-to-high weight sets (3-8 reps, 3-4 sets) -- 2-3x weekly, is more than sufficient to build muscle. Long, low-intensity effort -- cardio or strength -- has relatively low yield . You can and generally should train efficiently. The most important factor, though, is consistency over time. That is: get your workout in, and do that 2-3x a week, every week, year in and out. Rewards don't come from a heroic effort in a single workout, but consistency over time, with progressively (over weeks and months) greater challenges (more weight, effort, reps).