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You seriously may want to reconsider the name. ‘Angel Dust’ is a slang for the narcotic PCP - I immediately was confused and only clicked so I could tell what i

You seriously may want to reconsider the name. ‘Angel Dust’ is a slang for the narcotic PCP - I immediately was confused and only clicked so I could tell what it actually was. Not sure how this didn’t come up before? At any point in development? O.o Edit: whoa, downvotes, really? Care to say why? This is a legitimate concern?

purple-again 7y ago
It is and is shared by many other people not commenting. Creating a product targeted at children and then naming it the same as a dangerous addictive street narcotic is not a wise decision.
oneeyedpigeon 7y ago
Not sure why anyone's downvoting you, but I suspect the name is 100% on purpose - it would be quite the coincidence otherwise. I remember a game called Speedball in the 90s, which was very successful - this is nothing new!
- kossTKR 7y ago
  Comparing the words angeldust and the very common word "speed" is not comparable at all. Also the game looks like it's targeted at smaller kids. It would be like creating a minecraft clone and calling it "meth-heads". Thats 100% not what he is doing and if it is, then it's pretty insane.
  - swsieber 7y ago
    I haven't heard the term angeldust before, FWIW.
  - oneeyedpigeon 7y ago
    Not "speed", "speedBALL". It's another example of narcotic slang - I think a combination of heroin and cocaine. Again, it's quite likely whoever picked the name was aware of the meaning.
    - kossTKR 7y ago
      Oh i should learn how to read then..
- theredbox 7y ago
  Ofc it is on purpose. This guy goes by name Frank Lucas.
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    Frank Lucas was a notorious USA based heroin dealer/trafficker who died this year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lucas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lucas
  - TminusDoom 7y ago
    Frank Lucas IS a great mind and developer. To make a connection between two people that share the same name and imply similarities on the sole basis of that similarity, doesn't make sense.
kossTKR 7y ago
If you search Google for "Angeldust", literally the first 5 results for me are about the drug PCP. I have no idea how on earth you can even deploy something without Googling it first. Or maybe my personalised results are different? Also i may be wrong about the importance of these results - is it easy to push those down?
- detaro 7y ago
  Duckduckgo funnily enough has 3 of the top 5 results being this game.
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falcolas 7y ago
> This is a legitimate concern? Only for those who would confuse a video game for PCP. Thankfully, those seem few. And honestly? I certainly didn't associate it with the narcotic when I read the headline. I'm not sure I've even heard that particular slang for quite a number of years.
- kossTKR 7y ago
  First off his game looks very impressive! .. but i do not get the extremely heavy downvoting and very angry comments to the people concerned about the name. Maybe it's no problem but as i said - at least on my Google - PCP the drug comes up as the first result with a complete explanation in quick-view. And to this someone replied "grow up" to me, like what? Isn't the whole idea behind showing HN something to get criticism? If i made an app that had bad connotations i would certainly know. If someone disagrees, fine, a discussion about it without mean comments like "get a life" or "grow up" would be preferable.
  - falcolas 7y ago
    > Isn't the whole idea behind showing HN something to get criticism? Let me categorically say: Hell no. Some may want critique, but unabated criticism? That's not good for anybody (even if it does feel good to write). They're showing off the work of years of their lives; having that work shit upon is not what it's been shared for. > If someone disagrees, fine, a discussion about it without mean comments like "get a life" or "grow up" would be preferable. Just remember, the original post was not a useful critique, it was a disbelieving criticism for the author not doing their research. The comment also conveniently ignores that the title of this post explicitly contains "a fast and efficient video game". Even taken charitably the original post provides little of real benefit to a discussion about the game being presented. Uncharitably, it comes across as a playground attack based around who knows the street slang for PCP.
    - nocman 7y ago
      >> Isn't the whole idea behind showing HN something to get criticism? >Let me categorically say: Hell no. It seemed obvious to me that the GP was referring to constructive criticism (which can be very valuable). I would not say it is "the whole idea" behind "Show HN" posts, but it is definitely one of the primary motivators for most of the posts I've seen. That being said, I'm sure most don't put up a "Show HN" post to effectively hear "this sucks" with nothing helpful in the response (and that does happen).
Rexxar 7y ago
Never heard of this. I'm sure 50% of American don't know this word and 95% of non-native speaker don't know it either. The programmer seems to be Dutch and has no reason to know this American slang word.
manno23 7y ago
This is a legitimite concern for you? It offends your inner marketing sensibilities?
oops 7y ago
Minor nit: PCP is a dissociative hallucinogen, not a narcotic.
- LeftHandPath 7y ago
  "Narcotic" has shifted, at least in American vernacular, from meaning drugs that induce sleep to meaning any illegal or Schedule-I drug. Merriam-Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/narcotic https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/narcotic Collin's Dictionary: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/narcotic https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/narcoti... Edit, regarding "no one calls marijuana a narcotic": Not sure why I was downvoted, considering that we are discussing angel dust rather than marijuana. The United States Government calls marijuana a narcotic: [1]: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/08/29/2019-18714/international-drug-scheduling-convention-on-psychotropic-substances-single-convention-on-narcotic https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/08/29/2019-18... [2]: https://www.incb.org/incb/en/narcotic-drugs/index.html https://www.incb.org/incb/en/narcotic-drugs/index.html As do The UN and the World Health Organization (in process of amendment): [1]: https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/who-recommends-cannabis-should-be-reclassified-in-un-convention-on-narcotic-drugs/ https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/who-recommends-cannabis-s... [2]: https://www.who.int/medicines/access/controlled-substances/UNSG_letter_ECDD41_recommendations_cannabis_24Jan19.pdf?ua=1 https://www.who.int/medicines/access/controlled-substances/U... And the Australian Government: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2018L00106 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2018L00106 As well as the Swiss Government: https://www.ch.ch/en/cannabis/ https://www.ch.ch/en/cannabis/ And the Government of Singapore: https://www.cnb.gov.sg/ https://www.cnb.gov.sg/ And the European Union: http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/topic-overviews/classification-of-controlled-drugs/html_en http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/topic-overviews/cla... It's important to note the apparent legal definition of "narcotic" when discussing drugs, as it drastically differs from the traditional use, and includes a much longer list of substances.
  - tibbon 7y ago
    No one calls weed a narcotic.
tibbon 7y ago
Who cares? There’s a front page drug positive post on HN weekly. Kids don’t know this; and it doesn’t really matter. It’s like getting up in arms about the group Crystal Method... just silly. Drugs aren’t as bad as the 80s DARE programs brainwashed people into thinking

purple-again 7y ago

It is and is shared by many other people not commenting. Creating a product targeted at children and then naming it the same as a dangerous addictive street narcotic is not a wise decision.

oneeyedpigeon 7y ago

Not sure why anyone's downvoting you, but I suspect the name is 100% on purpose - it would be quite the coincidence otherwise. I remember a game called Speedball in the 90s, which was very successful - this is nothing new!

kossTKR 7y ago
Comparing the words angeldust and the very common word "speed" is not comparable at all. Also the game looks like it's targeted at smaller kids. It would be like creating a minecraft clone and calling it "meth-heads". Thats 100% not what he is doing and if it is, then it's pretty insane.
- swsieber 7y ago
  I haven't heard the term angeldust before, FWIW.
- oneeyedpigeon 7y ago
  Not "speed", "speedBALL". It's another example of narcotic slang - I think a combination of heroin and cocaine. Again, it's quite likely whoever picked the name was aware of the meaning.
  - kossTKR 7y ago
    Oh i should learn how to read then..
theredbox 7y ago
Ofc it is on purpose. This guy goes by name Frank Lucas.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  Frank Lucas was a notorious USA based heroin dealer/trafficker who died this year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lucas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lucas
- TminusDoom 7y ago
  Frank Lucas IS a great mind and developer. To make a connection between two people that share the same name and imply similarities on the sole basis of that similarity, doesn't make sense.

kossTKR 7y ago

If you search Google for "Angeldust", literally the first 5 results for me are about the drug PCP. I have no idea how on earth you can even deploy something without Googling it first. Or maybe my personalised results are different? Also i may be wrong about the importance of these results - is it easy to push those down?

detaro 7y ago
Duckduckgo funnily enough has 3 of the top 5 results being this game.
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falcolas 7y ago

> This is a legitimate concern? Only for those who would confuse a video game for PCP. Thankfully, those seem few. And honestly? I certainly didn't associate it with the narcotic when I read the headline. I'm not sure I've even heard that particular slang for quite a number of years.

kossTKR 7y ago
First off his game looks very impressive! .. but i do not get the extremely heavy downvoting and very angry comments to the people concerned about the name. Maybe it's no problem but as i said - at least on my Google - PCP the drug comes up as the first result with a complete explanation in quick-view. And to this someone replied "grow up" to me, like what? Isn't the whole idea behind showing HN something to get criticism? If i made an app that had bad connotations i would certainly know. If someone disagrees, fine, a discussion about it without mean comments like "get a life" or "grow up" would be preferable.
- falcolas 7y ago
  > Isn't the whole idea behind showing HN something to get criticism? Let me categorically say: Hell no. Some may want critique, but unabated criticism? That's not good for anybody (even if it does feel good to write). They're showing off the work of years of their lives; having that work shit upon is not what it's been shared for. > If someone disagrees, fine, a discussion about it without mean comments like "get a life" or "grow up" would be preferable. Just remember, the original post was not a useful critique, it was a disbelieving criticism for the author not doing their research. The comment also conveniently ignores that the title of this post explicitly contains "a fast and efficient video game". Even taken charitably the original post provides little of real benefit to a discussion about the game being presented. Uncharitably, it comes across as a playground attack based around who knows the street slang for PCP.
  - nocman 7y ago
    >> Isn't the whole idea behind showing HN something to get criticism? >Let me categorically say: Hell no. It seemed obvious to me that the GP was referring to constructive criticism (which can be very valuable). I would not say it is "the whole idea" behind "Show HN" posts, but it is definitely one of the primary motivators for most of the posts I've seen. That being said, I'm sure most don't put up a "Show HN" post to effectively hear "this sucks" with nothing helpful in the response (and that does happen).

Rexxar 7y ago

Never heard of this. I'm sure 50% of American don't know this word and 95% of non-native speaker don't know it either. The programmer seems to be Dutch and has no reason to know this American slang word.

manno23 7y ago

This is a legitimite concern for you? It offends your inner marketing sensibilities?

oops 7y ago

Minor nit: PCP is a dissociative hallucinogen, not a narcotic.

LeftHandPath 7y ago
"Narcotic" has shifted, at least in American vernacular, from meaning drugs that induce sleep to meaning any illegal or Schedule-I drug. Merriam-Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/narcotic https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/narcotic Collin's Dictionary: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/narcotic https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/narcoti... Edit, regarding "no one calls marijuana a narcotic": Not sure why I was downvoted, considering that we are discussing angel dust rather than marijuana. The United States Government calls marijuana a narcotic: [1]: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/08/29/2019-18714/international-drug-scheduling-convention-on-psychotropic-substances-single-convention-on-narcotic https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/08/29/2019-18... [2]: https://www.incb.org/incb/en/narcotic-drugs/index.html https://www.incb.org/incb/en/narcotic-drugs/index.html As do The UN and the World Health Organization (in process of amendment): [1]: https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/who-recommends-cannabis-should-be-reclassified-in-un-convention-on-narcotic-drugs/ https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/who-recommends-cannabis-s... [2]: https://www.who.int/medicines/access/controlled-substances/UNSG_letter_ECDD41_recommendations_cannabis_24Jan19.pdf?ua=1 https://www.who.int/medicines/access/controlled-substances/U... And the Australian Government: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2018L00106 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2018L00106 As well as the Swiss Government: https://www.ch.ch/en/cannabis/ https://www.ch.ch/en/cannabis/ And the Government of Singapore: https://www.cnb.gov.sg/ https://www.cnb.gov.sg/ And the European Union: http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/topic-overviews/classification-of-controlled-drugs/html_en http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/topic-overviews/cla... It's important to note the apparent legal definition of "narcotic" when discussing drugs, as it drastically differs from the traditional use, and includes a much longer list of substances.
- tibbon 7y ago
  No one calls weed a narcotic.

tibbon 7y ago

Who cares? There’s a front page drug positive post on HN weekly. Kids don’t know this; and it doesn’t really matter. It’s like getting up in arms about the group Crystal Method... just silly. Drugs aren’t as bad as the 80s DARE programs brainwashed people into thinking