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They need to ban Chinese anything from US government anything.

dang 7y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here, and certainly not nationalistic flamebait. We don't need yet another nationalistic flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  I'm not sure that's fair. To me GP comes over as jingoistic nationalism, but it also seems to have a substantive basis - the idea that foreign nations should be ejected at all levels from a governments internal systems? I'd really like to ask "should other nations eject all USA companies products from their governmental systems too?" (because I'm really curious how an apparent ultra-nationalist sees that?), but you've decided we can't explore that avenue. Sure, if things get perjorative cut it off, but conversations here tend to have a higher standard of discourse and excluding anything that might get touchy , IMO, unnecessarily limits the topics we can [usefully!] address here. We can't learn to understand one another if we're afraid to enter discourse on the tricky topics. Yes, there are other places, but this is special here somehow; I think we, HN, as a community can explore these ideas intelligently and maturely with perhaps a slightly lighter tiller.
  - grzm 7y ago
    A key difference between your comment here and the one 'dang is responding to is that yours is conducive to continuing such a conversation in a constructive manner and the latter is not. I find that's very important in engendering the kind of environment you're striving for. That's how I read 'dang's admonishment: it's unsubstantive and flamebait because it doesn't provide much leverage to continue a meaningful conversation and rather encourages knee-jerk, similarly unsubstantive comments (as you've noted in describing it as coming across as "jingoistic nationalism"). (I'll leave this now as continuing a meta-discussion is something these threads often need less of, and I don't have a lot to add beyond this.)
  - stjohnswarts 7y ago
    I understand your point, and I agree. It's impossible to audit all that software and hardware and it is not an irrational decision to completely eject an adversarial government's technology, I don't know why this guy is giving you a hard time. I certainly wouldn't blame a Chinese or Russian government policy that bans technology from the USA.
  - Phylter 7y ago
    You make a good point and yes, it seems that other governments would do very good to eject U.S. products from their governments too. Both Russia and China are working on just that. China is pushing Microsoft Windows out as much as possible, even in civilian computers. Every government is looking to angle what they can from other governments. If I were in charge of a government it would be the approach I'd take.

dang 7y ago

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here, and certainly not nationalistic flamebait. We don't need yet another nationalistic flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
I'm not sure that's fair. To me GP comes over as jingoistic nationalism, but it also seems to have a substantive basis - the idea that foreign nations should be ejected at all levels from a governments internal systems? I'd really like to ask "should other nations eject all USA companies products from their governmental systems too?" (because I'm really curious how an apparent ultra-nationalist sees that?), but you've decided we can't explore that avenue. Sure, if things get perjorative cut it off, but conversations here tend to have a higher standard of discourse and excluding anything that might get touchy , IMO, unnecessarily limits the topics we can [usefully!] address here. We can't learn to understand one another if we're afraid to enter discourse on the tricky topics. Yes, there are other places, but this is special here somehow; I think we, HN, as a community can explore these ideas intelligently and maturely with perhaps a slightly lighter tiller.
- grzm 7y ago
  A key difference between your comment here and the one 'dang is responding to is that yours is conducive to continuing such a conversation in a constructive manner and the latter is not. I find that's very important in engendering the kind of environment you're striving for. That's how I read 'dang's admonishment: it's unsubstantive and flamebait because it doesn't provide much leverage to continue a meaningful conversation and rather encourages knee-jerk, similarly unsubstantive comments (as you've noted in describing it as coming across as "jingoistic nationalism"). (I'll leave this now as continuing a meta-discussion is something these threads often need less of, and I don't have a lot to add beyond this.)
- stjohnswarts 7y ago
  I understand your point, and I agree. It's impossible to audit all that software and hardware and it is not an irrational decision to completely eject an adversarial government's technology, I don't know why this guy is giving you a hard time. I certainly wouldn't blame a Chinese or Russian government policy that bans technology from the USA.
- Phylter 7y ago
  You make a good point and yes, it seems that other governments would do very good to eject U.S. products from their governments too. Both Russia and China are working on just that. China is pushing Microsoft Windows out as much as possible, even in civilian computers. Every government is looking to angle what they can from other governments. If I were in charge of a government it would be the approach I'd take.