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There are always outliers with strange opinions in any sufficiently large movement, but a much more common feminist position is to be strongly in support of sex

There are always outliers with strange opinions in any sufficiently large movement, but a much more common feminist position is to be strongly in support of sex workers rights and safety.

hiram112 7y ago
You're very wrong - it is not just a few outliers. You can Google it easily enough, and that will show you many feminists are against it. But to truly understand the issue, see which groups, along with religious right, are the biggest lobbyists against any state bills that attempt to decriminalize prostitution. You will find that it's many women's groups, not just the evangelicals. https://now.org/media-center/press-release/decriminalize-prostituted-people-not-prostitution/ https://now.org/media-center/press-release/decriminalize-pro...
- helen___keller 7y ago
  It's fine to just admit you don't know what you're talking about rather than trying to lump "feminism" as a big homogeneous opinion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism
- tomhoward 7y ago
  My partner works as a government policy officer, researching and formulating sex work legislation, which means engaging with all stakeholder and advocacy groups in the community. Her experience indicates that feminist groups who oppose legalised prostitution are a very small minority, at least in our Australian state.
  - DuskStar 7y ago
    Australian feminism might be more than a little separated from American feminism, then.
    - tomhoward 7y ago
      Perhaps, or maybe the percentages are similar but the absolute numbers larger, and thus the signal generated louder.
orbifold 7y ago
Perhaps the most prominent feminist in Germany (Alice Schwarzer) is vehemently against it, although not for the stated reasons of the gp.
- odiroot 7y ago
  > She has written in favor of the continued legality of circumcision of male children.[6] She's really not very likeable.
  - orbifold 7y ago
    Yeah I mean she is a pathological liar, she stated publicly twice that she had an abortion and admitted decades later that in fact she didn't. She also evaded taxes by keeping a bank account in Switzerland and paid employees of EMMA far worse than the common market price, all while renting a huge publicly owned property in cologne for the magazine for almost nothing.
belorn 7y ago
I can just point to Sweden. The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape, regardless of consent. Being pro-prostitution here is the same as being pro-rape which is very anti-feminist in eye of the Swedish public and people with such views are seen as far-right. The two arguments that people here use is that a person that do sex for money would not had done so voluntary, thus there no consent. The second argument is that paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery.
- wruza 7y ago
  >paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery Just make a law so that persons must do something with payers bodies, not vice versa. It solves two problems with one shot: it’s no slavery anymore and finally you get some service.
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  > I can just point to Sweden. The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape is this really representative of how the public thinks or just a small pocket within a pocket of politically correct snowflakes? Knowing plenty of Swedes (most are much closer to the far left than to the far right). I'm familiar with Sweden's (strange) view of what constitutes rape (see Assange), and personally think that is a step forward. But I never met anyone argue that "all prostitution is sex slavery" or "anti-feminist". > paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery. This seems like a gross simplification. If I offer my body in exchange for money without a middle-man/pimp then it is still my choice. Consider an individual with below avg IQ unable to find meaningful work using his head but equipped with an unusually strong body/frame. Is it slavery if I freelance myself out to a moving company and lug around boxes and furniture all day? What about a male gay prostitute who voluntarily makes money on the side. It is even besides the point if the person is supporting a drug-habit or not. You can't pretend to be pro choice and feminist if at the same time the system under which you think socially outcasts everyone who thinks differently.
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afarrell 7y ago
It seems like neither outliers nor the consensus. Rather, it seems like lots of people call themselves feminists but there are passionate disagreements among those people about - the rights of sex workers - the status of trans people and a bunch of other things.

There are always outliers with strange opinions in any sufficiently large movement, but a much more common feminist position is to be strongly in support of sex workers rights and safety.

hiram112 7y ago

You're very wrong - it is not just a few outliers. You can Google it easily enough, and that will show you many feminists are against it. But to truly understand the issue, see which groups, along with religious right, are the biggest lobbyists against any state bills that attempt to decriminalize prostitution. You will find that it's many women's groups, not just the evangelicals. https://now.org/media-center/press-release/decriminalize-prostituted-people-not-prostitution/ https://now.org/media-center/press-release/decriminalize-pro...

helen___keller 7y ago
It's fine to just admit you don't know what you're talking about rather than trying to lump "feminism" as a big homogeneous opinion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism
tomhoward 7y ago
My partner works as a government policy officer, researching and formulating sex work legislation, which means engaging with all stakeholder and advocacy groups in the community. Her experience indicates that feminist groups who oppose legalised prostitution are a very small minority, at least in our Australian state.
- DuskStar 7y ago
  Australian feminism might be more than a little separated from American feminism, then.
  - tomhoward 7y ago
    Perhaps, or maybe the percentages are similar but the absolute numbers larger, and thus the signal generated louder.

orbifold 7y ago

Perhaps the most prominent feminist in Germany (Alice Schwarzer) is vehemently against it, although not for the stated reasons of the gp.

odiroot 7y ago
> She has written in favor of the continued legality of circumcision of male children.[6] She's really not very likeable.
- orbifold 7y ago
  Yeah I mean she is a pathological liar, she stated publicly twice that she had an abortion and admitted decades later that in fact she didn't. She also evaded taxes by keeping a bank account in Switzerland and paid employees of EMMA far worse than the common market price, all while renting a huge publicly owned property in cologne for the magazine for almost nothing.

belorn 7y ago

I can just point to Sweden. The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape, regardless of consent. Being pro-prostitution here is the same as being pro-rape which is very anti-feminist in eye of the Swedish public and people with such views are seen as far-right. The two arguments that people here use is that a person that do sex for money would not had done so voluntary, thus there no consent. The second argument is that paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery.

wruza 7y ago
>paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery Just make a law so that persons must do something with payers bodies, not vice versa. It solves two problems with one shot: it’s no slavery anymore and finally you get some service.
DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
> I can just point to Sweden. The meaning of prostitution has change in the public discussed to be the same as rape is this really representative of how the public thinks or just a small pocket within a pocket of politically correct snowflakes? Knowing plenty of Swedes (most are much closer to the far left than to the far right). I'm familiar with Sweden's (strange) view of what constitutes rape (see Assange), and personally think that is a step forward. But I never met anyone argue that "all prostitution is sex slavery" or "anti-feminist". > paying a person to do something with their body is the same as buying a human being, which would be slavery. This seems like a gross simplification. If I offer my body in exchange for money without a middle-man/pimp then it is still my choice. Consider an individual with below avg IQ unable to find meaningful work using his head but equipped with an unusually strong body/frame. Is it slavery if I freelance myself out to a moving company and lug around boxes and furniture all day? What about a male gay prostitute who voluntarily makes money on the side. It is even besides the point if the person is supporting a drug-habit or not. You can't pretend to be pro choice and feminist if at the same time the system under which you think socially outcasts everyone who thinks differently.
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afarrell 7y ago

It seems like neither outliers nor the consensus. Rather, it seems like lots of people call themselves feminists but there are passionate disagreements among those people about - the rights of sex workers - the status of trans people and a bunch of other things.