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As a Google Cloud Platform customer, this is pretty concerning news and seems likely to drive me to start looking at alternatives and also likely to avoid placi

As a Google Cloud Platform customer, this is pretty concerning news and seems likely to drive me to start looking at alternatives and also likely to avoid placing any dependencies on Google-specific platform features. So, if any Google Cloud employees are reading this, please report back that this just killed any interest I had in Anthos, Google Cloud Run, the managed Google "Kubernetes Apps", etc. Pretty much anything that isn't basic compute VMs, storage, or out of the box Kubernetes.

sitkack 7y ago
All platforms not under your control should be viewed as a risk. > Pretty much anything that isn't basic compute VMs, storage, or out of the box Kubernetes. I think this is perfectly healthy and a stance you should take everywhere.
- scarface74 7y ago
  This is certainly not as true with Microsoft or AWS. You remember the old saying that “no one ever got fired for buying IBM”? If someone bet the farm on IBM in the 70s, they could still buy compatible systems. Do you think you are at more risk betting your enterprise on Microsoft or Google?
  - dralley 7y ago
    Even the newest mainframes are still compatible with code and binaries from the 1960s. You might pay out the ass for the privilege, but it's a legitimately impressive technical accomplishment.
    - kazen44 7y ago
      heck, even 3xx series systems are still compatible on modern IBM mainframes. you can say alot about IBM, but excellent compatibility is not one its weaknesses.
  - OnlineGladiator 7y ago
    > Do you think you are at more risk betting your enterprise on Microsoft or Google? Microsoft? No. Google? Absolutely. I don't trust Google for anything that isn't related to selling ads. And I trust they will maintain their relationship for God-fucking-awful customer support. And I assume they will continue their tradition of sunsetting projects haphazardly. I don't know why anyone would trust Google today.
    - skinkestek 7y ago
      After seeing how amazingly much better Facebook properties targets ads I won't even trust Google to do that. Lately I've been using Instagram multiple times a month and the ads I get there are relvant, sometimes even useful (I once actually bought a product from one such ad that I actually like and wouldn't have been aware of without, and I am a typical HNer that have always said ads are wasted on me, because they have been for 10 years). Contrast this to Google who has way more datapoints on me yet end up showing ads asking if I have old mens problems or suggest I join a dating site for elderly. And that is just the icing on the cake: they've been pushing dating sites ever since I got engaged over 5 years ago. My account might be a fluke but I guess I am not allne.
      - delecti 7y ago
        I don't think you're a fluke at all. I've heard lots of "complaints" about how accurate Instagram ads are, because the products being advertised are so appealing. I've experienced it too, the ads I see on Instagram are almost all things I could see myself buying.
- AaronFriel 7y ago
  It makes sense to take advantage of platform features if you expect stability and for those features to ease your development process in some way that justifies the cost of vendor dependence. There are certainly features of Google Cloud that meet the latter criteria, but stability? This leaked report suggests we shouldn't expect that past 2023.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  > I think this is perfectly healthy and a stance you should take everywhere. There is tons of value for non-VPS: serverless functions, messaging queues, object storage, managed databases, CDNs, monitoring infrastructure, load balancers, etc. Unless of course they aren't going to disappear or gouge you in a couple years. But AWS is very unlikely to do that.
faizshah 7y ago
Ive never been interested in Azure until now and Ive heard CosmosDB, their FaaS product, and their client libraries are all pretty nice. If their docs, client libs and cli tools are all as nice as GCP I will have to switch. I dunno if they have a BigQuery alternative though. Actually I started using Office365 instead of Google Docs recently and have been quite happy with the results. Especially OneNote’s live sync.
helpfulgoogler 7y ago
Cloud Run is compatible with the Knative open source project, so you should be able to take your apps to a different cloud like you would with Kubernetes.

sitkack 7y ago

All platforms not under your control should be viewed as a risk. > Pretty much anything that isn't basic compute VMs, storage, or out of the box Kubernetes. I think this is perfectly healthy and a stance you should take everywhere.

scarface74 7y ago
This is certainly not as true with Microsoft or AWS. You remember the old saying that “no one ever got fired for buying IBM”? If someone bet the farm on IBM in the 70s, they could still buy compatible systems. Do you think you are at more risk betting your enterprise on Microsoft or Google?
- dralley 7y ago
  Even the newest mainframes are still compatible with code and binaries from the 1960s. You might pay out the ass for the privilege, but it's a legitimately impressive technical accomplishment.
  - kazen44 7y ago
    heck, even 3xx series systems are still compatible on modern IBM mainframes. you can say alot about IBM, but excellent compatibility is not one its weaknesses.
- OnlineGladiator 7y ago
  > Do you think you are at more risk betting your enterprise on Microsoft or Google? Microsoft? No. Google? Absolutely. I don't trust Google for anything that isn't related to selling ads. And I trust they will maintain their relationship for God-fucking-awful customer support. And I assume they will continue their tradition of sunsetting projects haphazardly. I don't know why anyone would trust Google today.
  - skinkestek 7y ago
    After seeing how amazingly much better Facebook properties targets ads I won't even trust Google to do that. Lately I've been using Instagram multiple times a month and the ads I get there are relvant, sometimes even useful (I once actually bought a product from one such ad that I actually like and wouldn't have been aware of without, and I am a typical HNer that have always said ads are wasted on me, because they have been for 10 years). Contrast this to Google who has way more datapoints on me yet end up showing ads asking if I have old mens problems or suggest I join a dating site for elderly. And that is just the icing on the cake: they've been pushing dating sites ever since I got engaged over 5 years ago. My account might be a fluke but I guess I am not allne.
    - delecti 7y ago
      I don't think you're a fluke at all. I've heard lots of "complaints" about how accurate Instagram ads are, because the products being advertised are so appealing. I've experienced it too, the ads I see on Instagram are almost all things I could see myself buying.
AaronFriel 7y ago
It makes sense to take advantage of platform features if you expect stability and for those features to ease your development process in some way that justifies the cost of vendor dependence. There are certainly features of Google Cloud that meet the latter criteria, but stability? This leaked report suggests we shouldn't expect that past 2023.
paulddraper 7y ago
> I think this is perfectly healthy and a stance you should take everywhere. There is tons of value for non-VPS: serverless functions, messaging queues, object storage, managed databases, CDNs, monitoring infrastructure, load balancers, etc. Unless of course they aren't going to disappear or gouge you in a couple years. But AWS is very unlikely to do that.

faizshah 7y ago

Ive never been interested in Azure until now and Ive heard CosmosDB, their FaaS product, and their client libraries are all pretty nice. If their docs, client libs and cli tools are all as nice as GCP I will have to switch. I dunno if they have a BigQuery alternative though. Actually I started using Office365 instead of Google Docs recently and have been quite happy with the results. Especially OneNote’s live sync.

helpfulgoogler 7y ago

Cloud Run is compatible with the Knative open source project, so you should be able to take your apps to a different cloud like you would with Kubernetes.