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IANAL, but California is an at-will state. Again, IANAL, but my educated understanding is that you can fire someone for any reason as long as the reason is not

by Touche 7y ago

IANAL, but California is an at-will state. Again, IANAL, but my educated understanding is that you can fire someone for any reason as long as the reason is not illegal. Lastly, IANAL.

sdenton4 7y ago
Organizing is protected by law. Firing for organizing is intimidation.
- ralusek 7y ago
  Is using whatever mechanism is available to you, including company privileges, in order to organize perfected by law? As a customer support person, would you be able to add "you have the right to sue Google," simply because they did have the right, and I felt like it? Am I allowed to write a script that helps draft automated verbiage to assist you in suing Google?
- Touche 7y ago
  Yep, that's what's contested here and is unclear.
space_fountain 7y ago
But IANAL firing some one for telling their co-workers about their right to unionize is an illegal reason to fire someone. I'm not completely convinced that's what happened here but still
- matwood 7y ago
  Technology makes a lot of these good intentioned laws hard to interpret. You cannot be fired for telling your co-workers that they are allowed to unionize. What if you work for a call center, commandeered an auto-dialer, and called every co-worker in the company with the same message? What about a popup on every page of an internal company website? Is someone allowed to stand up in the middle of the office with a megaphone and tell everyone they can unionize?
  - Alex3917 7y ago
    > What if you work for a call center, commandeered an auto-dialer, and called every co-worker in the company with the same message? The law already covers situations like this, in terms of whether or not employees are allowed to use the internal technology tools of their employers in order to organize.
    - matwood 7y ago
      So what does the law say?
SauciestGNU 7y ago
Right, but retaliation for engaging in a concerted labor effort is specifically an illegal reason to fire someone.

by Touche 7y ago

IANAL, but California is an at-will state. Again, IANAL, but my educated understanding is that you can fire someone for any reason as long as the reason is not illegal. Lastly, IANAL.

sdenton4 7y ago

Organizing is protected by law. Firing for organizing is intimidation.

ralusek 7y ago
Is using whatever mechanism is available to you, including company privileges, in order to organize perfected by law? As a customer support person, would you be able to add "you have the right to sue Google," simply because they did have the right, and I felt like it? Am I allowed to write a script that helps draft automated verbiage to assist you in suing Google?
Touche 7y ago
Yep, that's what's contested here and is unclear.

space_fountain 7y ago

But IANAL firing some one for telling their co-workers about their right to unionize is an illegal reason to fire someone. I'm not completely convinced that's what happened here but still

matwood 7y ago
Technology makes a lot of these good intentioned laws hard to interpret. You cannot be fired for telling your co-workers that they are allowed to unionize. What if you work for a call center, commandeered an auto-dialer, and called every co-worker in the company with the same message? What about a popup on every page of an internal company website? Is someone allowed to stand up in the middle of the office with a megaphone and tell everyone they can unionize?
- Alex3917 7y ago
  > What if you work for a call center, commandeered an auto-dialer, and called every co-worker in the company with the same message? The law already covers situations like this, in terms of whether or not employees are allowed to use the internal technology tools of their employers in order to organize.
  - matwood 7y ago
    So what does the law say?

SauciestGNU 7y ago

Right, but retaliation for engaging in a concerted labor effort is specifically an illegal reason to fire someone.