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Sure, but you have take into account that Android devs are limited to Java 6, most enterprise devs (based on my experience) are still on Java 8 and some are sti

Sure, but you have take into account that Android devs are limited to Java 6, most enterprise devs (based on my experience) are still on Java 8 and some are still on Java 5 or below.

hugi 7y ago
Then you should really name your article "My Arbitrary Choice of Java versions That I Believe People Use vs. Kotlin".
vips7L 7y ago
Yeah this is nonsense and isn't an argument against the language. Embedded devs aren't allowed to use Rust, does that mean we shouldn't compare C++ 20 to Rust? Does that mean Rust is a bad language? If these said devs are limited to Java 6/7/8 does their company have the inertia to use a brand new programming language (Kotlin) that their devs don't know? Does this mean Kotlin is bad because they're not using it? This is a bad argument.
- driver733 7y ago
  My goal is to compare Kotlin with the current version of Java along with any Java libs that are commonly used (such as Lombok). I have mentioned the fact that some teams are still on older versions of Java just to highlight that not every developer can access the features of the latest Java release.
  - vips7L 7y ago
    Unless it's Android, if they can't access the latest features of Java they more than likely can't access the latest features of Kotlin either.
    - driver733 7y ago
      That's not always the case, since Kotlin can generate Java 6 compatible bytecode.
- loopz 7y ago
  It's a bad case of jvm and lib dependencies and do reflect badly.
- outadoc 7y ago
  You can compile Kotlin to target any of these JVMs, so of course it's relevant. If you're limited to using Java 6 every day, Kotlin is a game changer. If you can target Java 13, less so.
chrisseaton 7y ago
Might as well call this a comparison of Kotlin and an arbitrary old version of Java then.
Polyisoprene 7y ago
Java 9 was a huge roadblock for upgrading since a lot of libraries were using internal apis and that mess took a few years longer that it should have. Now the only supported Java version is 11, so a lot of companies have moved to 11 the last year.

Sure, but you have take into account that Android devs are limited to Java 6, most enterprise devs (based on my experience) are still on Java 8 and some are still on Java 5 or below.

hugi 7y ago

Then you should really name your article "My Arbitrary Choice of Java versions That I Believe People Use vs. Kotlin".

vips7L 7y ago

Yeah this is nonsense and isn't an argument against the language. Embedded devs aren't allowed to use Rust, does that mean we shouldn't compare C++ 20 to Rust? Does that mean Rust is a bad language? If these said devs are limited to Java 6/7/8 does their company have the inertia to use a brand new programming language (Kotlin) that their devs don't know? Does this mean Kotlin is bad because they're not using it? This is a bad argument.

driver733 7y ago
My goal is to compare Kotlin with the current version of Java along with any Java libs that are commonly used (such as Lombok). I have mentioned the fact that some teams are still on older versions of Java just to highlight that not every developer can access the features of the latest Java release.
- vips7L 7y ago
  Unless it's Android, if they can't access the latest features of Java they more than likely can't access the latest features of Kotlin either.
  - driver733 7y ago
    That's not always the case, since Kotlin can generate Java 6 compatible bytecode.
loopz 7y ago
It's a bad case of jvm and lib dependencies and do reflect badly.
outadoc 7y ago
You can compile Kotlin to target any of these JVMs, so of course it's relevant. If you're limited to using Java 6 every day, Kotlin is a game changer. If you can target Java 13, less so.

chrisseaton 7y ago

Might as well call this a comparison of Kotlin and an arbitrary old version of Java then.

Polyisoprene 7y ago

Java 9 was a huge roadblock for upgrading since a lot of libraries were using internal apis and that mess took a few years longer that it should have. Now the only supported Java version is 11, so a lot of companies have moved to 11 the last year.