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You can get really good support from Lineage OS for years to come. Been running it on all my android devices for years. The flagship models like Pixel usually h

by eastof 7y ago

You can get really good support from Lineage OS for years to come. Been running it on all my android devices for years. The flagship models like Pixel usually have the best ongoing support.

thaumasiotes 7y ago
> The flagship models like Pixel usually have the best ongoing support. When was the last time you checked on this? As far as I can see, LineageOS support is pretty much restricted to phones that have had it for years. There is no hope if you have a recent phone. There's also no hope if you have an old phone, unless it's already supported. For example, the most recent Pixel with support is... the Pixel. The original.
- Enginerrrd 7y ago
  This has been my experience, and I feel like I've been lookding pretty hard. I'd really like to see this problem get solved.
- vorpalhex 7y ago
  Lineage depends on the community to issue device specific builds. For instance, my dual sim traveling phone has no official Lineage support, but is well supported through the community (and indeed, everything works quite well). I do wish Lineage had a way to promote and adopt community versions more officially.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    > I do wish Lineage had a way to promote and adopt community versions more officially. They do. That's what official support is. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ But they're a dead project.
    - yorwba 7y ago
      Last change 4 minutes ago: https://review.lineageos.org/q/status:open https://review.lineageos.org/q/status:open Looks quite alive to me.
      - thaumasiotes 7y ago
        An active project that supports no hardware is still a dead project. If you want to run LineageOS, that's not a realistic goal. It's a pipe dream.
        yorwba 7y ago
        I run LineageOS on my phone. I specifically bought the phone to run LineageOS on it. It's only a pipe dream if you want to take any random phone and change the operating system.
  - zozbot234 7y ago
    Can't have "official" support unless everything is working. "Promoting" beta-level code would be a disaster.
    - thaumasiotes 7y ago
      The release model that LineageOS inherited from CyanogenMod included three branches of varying levels of stability. The philosophy that if it isn't already finished, there's no point starting is the problem with LineageOS today.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  > There is no hope if you have a recent phone. OnePlus 6, 6T, 7 Pro - these are not "old" devices. Granted, you might argue that OnePlus doesn't count, lol.
pedrocr 7y ago
You really can't. Devices get dropped often and kernels are left at old versions with security bugs unpatched. There's nothing in Android that's like a proper Linux distribution that keeps working for decades on the same hardware with full kernel updates.
snowron6 7y ago
Really? There's been no support for the pixel since the first one. It sucks, I'd love to run lineage on my pixel 2.
- bobbean 7y ago
  Honest question, what use would Lineage be on a pixel? I've used it a few times for older phones, but that was mainly to get rid of a bunch of the stupid restrictions and bloatware those phones had. Pixel phones seem like they wouldn't benefit too much from it. (Again I haven't looked into it in a while so I'm not sure of the benefits)
netsharc 7y ago
I ordered a cheap Android phone the other day because installing a non-OEM OS like Lineage mean... banking software doesn't work. I have an older phone but the last stock ROM on it is Android 5, although it is currently running Lineage with Android 9. So I bought that phone to keep at stock and have a phone I can do my banking with. Come to think of it, I should just switch banks!
- linuxftw 7y ago
  You can side-load firefox and just use the bank's mobile site.
  - efreak 7y ago
    Side loading is unnecessary. Firefox is available on both the play store and Fdroid (not sure if it's in the default Fdroid repo, but I know there's at least one third party repo with official builds)
  - netsharc 7y ago
    The app has features using the camera though, and can act as a 2FA for desktop logins, otherwise I'd need my card and a card reader with a PIN pad to input the challenge given during the login process.
- blacksmith_tb 7y ago
  Magisk[1] works with Lineage and might be able to fool your annoying banking app. 1: https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445 https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk...
  - takeda 7y ago
    Don't use Magisk, but it allowed me to fool all apps that I'm aware of. I really don't understand this mentality (doing it with a bank app, I also had it with OTP app), because I have full control over my phone that somehow makes it compromised? What's next? I no longer will have access to my bank account because I'm less trustworthy?
takeda 7y ago
Are there any flagship models that still have phone jack and an sdcard? Supposedly there's so many Android phones but all are removing things. You can get phones with these, but then their support doesn't last long and generally no one cares about maintaining a replacement OS like Lineage OS. My ideal phone would have: - size that does fit in a hand - phone jack - sdcard - hardware keyboard - ir blaster - stereo speakers that actually face the user - work with frequencies of my cell provider - easy to root - good battery life - easy to open and fix - recent hardware (I rarely play games but want it to be responsive) But since then I started giving up on some features though those 3 are still important to me. It's impossible to find one that has all of those things now, the only phones that I owned and really like and were very close to ideal were Motorola Droid 1, and HTC One M8 and it feels like it only goes downhill.
- doubt_me 7y ago
  Asus 2018+ Idk about rooting tho. That's a maybe. If I could throw down 500$+ I'd be able to find out. My LG v20 was purchased the week it came out cause I'm an audiophile. This thing is literally bullet proof and 100$ now. Best phone I've ever owned. Still using it. Rooted n debloated stock ROMs are all I'm interested in all the custom ones never get updates correctly.
- efreak 7y ago
  The ir blaster would be nice, but personally I'm more interested in wireless charging (and having nfc in a us device that _isn't_ flagship... Why is it always only available in eu versions...) Hardware keyboard isn't something I need personally, but it would certainly be useful; At least add a T9 keyboard, it shouldn't be hard to adapt autocorrect for that. Good battery life isn't enough: I'd rather have a battery that's twice the size (6-7Ah). This makes it 5mm thicker and 5mm thicker? That's fine with me. Not everyone cares about the camera on their phone. Dedicated cameras are still a thing, and cheap ones still work better than your expensive smartphone. Being able to read QR and bar codes is enough for me. And to get it off my chest: give me back my buttons. I want hardware buttons on the side. Give me a home button (I don't care how big the bezel is) and instead of having an assistant button, add a pair of customizable buttons to the side of the screen (scroll for browsers and ebooks, skip/seek media, browser history, launch an app, etc). The best thing about desktop/laptop is being able to set hotkeys And as someone who likes using tablets, please make your tablets support cases/covers that don't require a clamshell. The Nvidia shield tablet (at least) has magnetic notches in the side, which match up to magnetic tabs on the side of the cover, allowing it to be attached/removed easily. Clamshells are annoying.

by eastof 7y ago

You can get really good support from Lineage OS for years to come. Been running it on all my android devices for years. The flagship models like Pixel usually have the best ongoing support.

thaumasiotes 7y ago

> The flagship models like Pixel usually have the best ongoing support. When was the last time you checked on this? As far as I can see, LineageOS support is pretty much restricted to phones that have had it for years. There is no hope if you have a recent phone. There's also no hope if you have an old phone, unless it's already supported. For example, the most recent Pixel with support is... the Pixel. The original.

Enginerrrd 7y ago
This has been my experience, and I feel like I've been lookding pretty hard. I'd really like to see this problem get solved.
vorpalhex 7y ago
Lineage depends on the community to issue device specific builds. For instance, my dual sim traveling phone has no official Lineage support, but is well supported through the community (and indeed, everything works quite well). I do wish Lineage had a way to promote and adopt community versions more officially.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  > I do wish Lineage had a way to promote and adopt community versions more officially. They do. That's what official support is. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ But they're a dead project.
  - yorwba 7y ago
    Last change 4 minutes ago: https://review.lineageos.org/q/status:open https://review.lineageos.org/q/status:open Looks quite alive to me.
    - thaumasiotes 7y ago
      An active project that supports no hardware is still a dead project. If you want to run LineageOS, that's not a realistic goal. It's a pipe dream.
      - yorwba 7y ago
        I run LineageOS on my phone. I specifically bought the phone to run LineageOS on it. It's only a pipe dream if you want to take any random phone and change the operating system.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  Can't have "official" support unless everything is working. "Promoting" beta-level code would be a disaster.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    The release model that LineageOS inherited from CyanogenMod included three branches of varying levels of stability. The philosophy that if it isn't already finished, there's no point starting is the problem with LineageOS today.
zozbot234 7y ago
> There is no hope if you have a recent phone. OnePlus 6, 6T, 7 Pro - these are not "old" devices. Granted, you might argue that OnePlus doesn't count, lol.

pedrocr 7y ago

You really can't. Devices get dropped often and kernels are left at old versions with security bugs unpatched. There's nothing in Android that's like a proper Linux distribution that keeps working for decades on the same hardware with full kernel updates.

snowron6 7y ago

Really? There's been no support for the pixel since the first one. It sucks, I'd love to run lineage on my pixel 2.

bobbean 7y ago
Honest question, what use would Lineage be on a pixel? I've used it a few times for older phones, but that was mainly to get rid of a bunch of the stupid restrictions and bloatware those phones had. Pixel phones seem like they wouldn't benefit too much from it. (Again I haven't looked into it in a while so I'm not sure of the benefits)

netsharc 7y ago

I ordered a cheap Android phone the other day because installing a non-OEM OS like Lineage mean... banking software doesn't work. I have an older phone but the last stock ROM on it is Android 5, although it is currently running Lineage with Android 9. So I bought that phone to keep at stock and have a phone I can do my banking with. Come to think of it, I should just switch banks!

linuxftw 7y ago
You can side-load firefox and just use the bank's mobile site.
- efreak 7y ago
  Side loading is unnecessary. Firefox is available on both the play store and Fdroid (not sure if it's in the default Fdroid repo, but I know there's at least one third party repo with official builds)
- netsharc 7y ago
  The app has features using the camera though, and can act as a 2FA for desktop logins, otherwise I'd need my card and a card reader with a PIN pad to input the challenge given during the login process.
blacksmith_tb 7y ago
Magisk[1] works with Lineage and might be able to fool your annoying banking app. 1: https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk-v7-universal-systemless-t3473445 https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/official-magisk...
- takeda 7y ago
  Don't use Magisk, but it allowed me to fool all apps that I'm aware of. I really don't understand this mentality (doing it with a bank app, I also had it with OTP app), because I have full control over my phone that somehow makes it compromised? What's next? I no longer will have access to my bank account because I'm less trustworthy?

takeda 7y ago

Are there any flagship models that still have phone jack and an sdcard? Supposedly there's so many Android phones but all are removing things. You can get phones with these, but then their support doesn't last long and generally no one cares about maintaining a replacement OS like Lineage OS. My ideal phone would have: - size that does fit in a hand - phone jack - sdcard - hardware keyboard - ir blaster - stereo speakers that actually face the user - work with frequencies of my cell provider - easy to root - good battery life - easy to open and fix - recent hardware (I rarely play games but want it to be responsive) But since then I started giving up on some features though those 3 are still important to me. It's impossible to find one that has all of those things now, the only phones that I owned and really like and were very close to ideal were Motorola Droid 1, and HTC One M8 and it feels like it only goes downhill.

doubt_me 7y ago
Asus 2018+ Idk about rooting tho. That's a maybe. If I could throw down 500$+ I'd be able to find out. My LG v20 was purchased the week it came out cause I'm an audiophile. This thing is literally bullet proof and 100$ now. Best phone I've ever owned. Still using it. Rooted n debloated stock ROMs are all I'm interested in all the custom ones never get updates correctly.
efreak 7y ago
The ir blaster would be nice, but personally I'm more interested in wireless charging (and having nfc in a us device that _isn't_ flagship... Why is it always only available in eu versions...) Hardware keyboard isn't something I need personally, but it would certainly be useful; At least add a T9 keyboard, it shouldn't be hard to adapt autocorrect for that. Good battery life isn't enough: I'd rather have a battery that's twice the size (6-7Ah). This makes it 5mm thicker and 5mm thicker? That's fine with me. Not everyone cares about the camera on their phone. Dedicated cameras are still a thing, and cheap ones still work better than your expensive smartphone. Being able to read QR and bar codes is enough for me. And to get it off my chest: give me back my buttons. I want hardware buttons on the side. Give me a home button (I don't care how big the bezel is) and instead of having an assistant button, add a pair of customizable buttons to the side of the screen (scroll for browsers and ebooks, skip/seek media, browser history, launch an app, etc). The best thing about desktop/laptop is being able to set hotkeys And as someone who likes using tablets, please make your tablets support cases/covers that don't require a clamshell. The Nvidia shield tablet (at least) has magnetic notches in the side, which match up to magnetic tabs on the side of the cover, allowing it to be attached/removed easily. Clamshells are annoying.