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It would however be illegal, which is a concern to some.

krzyk 7y ago
Illegality depends on country, I think in Europe (or parts of it) you can download for your personal use, but you can't distribute (e.g. you can only leech, you can't seed).
- wolco 7y ago
  Legal in Canada as well.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    Only the downloading part, not the uploading part. And I think that’s music only too.
    - krzyk 7y ago
      To clarify in Poland it is only for media, so movies, music - so it is like in the days when one had cassette and recorded the music that was on radio (or VHS and TV) - allowed private use. Download of software without license/approval (so illegal download) is prohibited.
jeena 7y ago
Yeah, it's funny/interesting how far divided morality and legality are.
TomMarius 7y ago
It is not illegal in Europe even if you did not pay. Seems immoral though.
- wolco 7y ago
  Your immoral point made me think. I think it seems immoral but the more I think about it, it's not. A corporation (like a studio) and capitalist system (like hollywood movie making) doesn't operate with morality. It seeks to gain the largest profit without regard to morality. If these movie companies reached a fair profit point and made the movie free afterwards you could make the point they acted with balance. If they shared profits with society morality could be an issue. But they try to make as much profit as the market will allow. They act without morality. Therefore you cannot assigned a morality value to your interactions with such entities. It is not immoral to pirate (even if it is illegal in some places).
  - anoncake 7y ago
    I agree that piracy isn't immoral in general but it isn't because capitalist corporations don't operate without morality. Isn't it immoral to harm a psychopath, who acts immorally because they are mentally ill?
    - shakna 7y ago
      > Isn't it immoral to harm a psychopath, who acts immorally because they are mentally ill? It isn't definitive that piracy actually causes any significant or definitive harm to large organisations. It fact in many circumstances the effect can be reversed - those who pirate films are also more likely to watch them and to encourage others to watch them. Without a definitive answer to the harm question, you can't definitively assess the morality side of the question.

Illegality depends on country, I think in Europe (or parts of it) you can download for your personal use, but you can't distribute (e.g. you can only leech, you can't seed).

wolco 7y ago
Legal in Canada as well.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  Only the downloading part, not the uploading part. And I think that’s music only too.
  - krzyk 7y ago
    To clarify in Poland it is only for media, so movies, music - so it is like in the days when one had cassette and recorded the music that was on radio (or VHS and TV) - allowed private use. Download of software without license/approval (so illegal download) is prohibited.

jeena 7y ago

Yeah, it's funny/interesting how far divided morality and legality are.

TomMarius 7y ago

It is not illegal in Europe even if you did not pay. Seems immoral though.

wolco 7y ago
Your immoral point made me think. I think it seems immoral but the more I think about it, it's not. A corporation (like a studio) and capitalist system (like hollywood movie making) doesn't operate with morality. It seeks to gain the largest profit without regard to morality. If these movie companies reached a fair profit point and made the movie free afterwards you could make the point they acted with balance. If they shared profits with society morality could be an issue. But they try to make as much profit as the market will allow. They act without morality. Therefore you cannot assigned a morality value to your interactions with such entities. It is not immoral to pirate (even if it is illegal in some places).
- anoncake 7y ago
  I agree that piracy isn't immoral in general but it isn't because capitalist corporations don't operate without morality. Isn't it immoral to harm a psychopath, who acts immorally because they are mentally ill?
  - shakna 7y ago
    > Isn't it immoral to harm a psychopath, who acts immorally because they are mentally ill? It isn't definitive that piracy actually causes any significant or definitive harm to large organisations. It fact in many circumstances the effect can be reversed - those who pirate films are also more likely to watch them and to encourage others to watch them. Without a definitive answer to the harm question, you can't definitively assess the morality side of the question.