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And we should ban prosthetic limbs because amputees might use them to smuggle drugs. Emotion-detection tech is a prosthetic for autistic people, and if it's ba

by mrob 7y ago

And we should ban prosthetic limbs because amputees might use them to smuggle drugs. Emotion-detection tech is a prosthetic for autistic people, and if it's banned I want consistent treatment for all disabilities.

zepto 7y ago
Make it prescription only.
dbsmith83 7y ago
Give me a break. People don't use prosthetic limbs as a tool to decide if someone is lying to the police or if they should get the job. Your analogy is less than adequate.
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- dang 7y ago
  Can you please edit swipes like "Give me a break" out of your posts to HN? Your comment would be fine with just the other two sentences. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - shadowprofile77 7y ago
    Seriously? What pedantic nonsense. It's a minor, hardly offensive phrase designed to add some emotional color to comments. We're not robots here. Many people write comments with expletives (and don't get downvoted) along with all sorts of things, but you fixate here on "give me a break".
    - dang 7y ago
      I understand how this can seem pedantic, but when people lead with swipes like that, it subtly cues the discussion towards disrespect and even aggression. Maybe they don't land that way with you, but the spectrum of the audience here is pretty broad, and it's best to just omit things that predictably activate major subsets. Given that such remarks are cheap and mechanical, adding no information, it improves the signal/noise ratio to take them out anyhow. To me it seems clear how much better the GP comment reads without the first bit—how much more visible the actual point becomes. Emotional color is welcome in HN comments, but reflexive indignation is a different thing. For the sake of the commons here, we all need to work on containing the petty anger that flares up instantly and is all too easy to vent onto the internet.
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detaro 7y ago
> Emotion-detection tech is a prosthetic for autistic people Never heard of it being used that way. Not sure how current tools would work for that. Examples?
- mrob 7y ago
  AFAIK it is not yet used this way in practice, but I see no reason it couldn't be integrated into AR glasses. This would allow autistic people to interact socially on an equal footing with neurotypical people.
  - conistonwater 7y ago
    This sounds like a misunderstanding of the problems faced by autistic people.
    - mrob 7y ago
      Difficulty "reading" emotions is an common and medically accepted symptom of autism spectrum disorders, and there is objectively measured evidence that it is in fact a real symptom. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15843104 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15843104 This presents a serious problem to people with such disorders, because they may accidentally make people hate them by failing to understand their emotional state. If AR glasses could continually run face detection and emotion detection algorithms, they could be configured to show a warning if a conversation partner is showing signs of boredom or annoyance. Neurotypical people do this subconsciously, so it is a matter of fairness that people without the ability be allowed to use prosthetics.
  - krageon 7y ago
    The idea that people that have autism need to be assisted to be more like neurotypical people (for example by augmenting their ability to perceive emotions) is in a very real sense part of the problem of the treatment that they tend to face. I don't think it's a great idea to take as a given that this is necessary or even desirable.

by mrob 7y ago

zepto 7y ago

Make it prescription only.

dbsmith83 7y ago

Give me a break. People don't use prosthetic limbs as a tool to decide if someone is lying to the police or if they should get the job. Your analogy is less than adequate.

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dang 7y ago
Can you please edit swipes like "Give me a break" out of your posts to HN? Your comment would be fine with just the other two sentences. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- shadowprofile77 7y ago
  Seriously? What pedantic nonsense. It's a minor, hardly offensive phrase designed to add some emotional color to comments. We're not robots here. Many people write comments with expletives (and don't get downvoted) along with all sorts of things, but you fixate here on "give me a break".
  - dang 7y ago
    I understand how this can seem pedantic, but when people lead with swipes like that, it subtly cues the discussion towards disrespect and even aggression. Maybe they don't land that way with you, but the spectrum of the audience here is pretty broad, and it's best to just omit things that predictably activate major subsets. Given that such remarks are cheap and mechanical, adding no information, it improves the signal/noise ratio to take them out anyhow. To me it seems clear how much better the GP comment reads without the first bit—how much more visible the actual point becomes. Emotional color is welcome in HN comments, but reflexive indignation is a different thing. For the sake of the commons here, we all need to work on containing the petty anger that flares up instantly and is all too easy to vent onto the internet.

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detaro 7y ago

> Emotion-detection tech is a prosthetic for autistic people Never heard of it being used that way. Not sure how current tools would work for that. Examples?

mrob 7y ago
AFAIK it is not yet used this way in practice, but I see no reason it couldn't be integrated into AR glasses. This would allow autistic people to interact socially on an equal footing with neurotypical people.
- conistonwater 7y ago
  This sounds like a misunderstanding of the problems faced by autistic people.
  - mrob 7y ago
    Difficulty "reading" emotions is an common and medically accepted symptom of autism spectrum disorders, and there is objectively measured evidence that it is in fact a real symptom. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15843104 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15843104 This presents a serious problem to people with such disorders, because they may accidentally make people hate them by failing to understand their emotional state. If AR glasses could continually run face detection and emotion detection algorithms, they could be configured to show a warning if a conversation partner is showing signs of boredom or annoyance. Neurotypical people do this subconsciously, so it is a matter of fairness that people without the ability be allowed to use prosthetics.
- krageon 7y ago
  The idea that people that have autism need to be assisted to be more like neurotypical people (for example by augmenting their ability to perceive emotions) is in a very real sense part of the problem of the treatment that they tend to face. I don't think it's a great idea to take as a given that this is necessary or even desirable.