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> It hurts real customers Yes it does. We bought a lot of kids movies on iTunes, and then I couldn't play them back because a device was not authorized (I boug

> It hurts real customers Yes it does. We bought a lot of kids movies on iTunes, and then I couldn't play them back because a device was not authorized (I bought it on my iPhone, so it doesn't work on my girlfriends iPad), or because the internet didn't work, or because iTunes was broken after upgrading to a new OS, ... it's so frustrating when you have a collection of video files on a USB stick that you paid for and you can't watch them.

jeena 7y ago
You could re-download them DRM free from pirate bay, and because you already paid for them it wouldn't even be a immoral thing to do.
- lkschubert8 7y ago
  It would however be illegal, which is a concern to some.
  - krzyk 7y ago
    Illegality depends on country, I think in Europe (or parts of it) you can download for your personal use, but you can't distribute (e.g. you can only leech, you can't seed).
    - wolco 7y ago
      Legal in Canada as well.
      - Scoundreller 7y ago
        Only the downloading part, not the uploading part. And I think that’s music only too.
        krzyk 7y ago
        To clarify in Poland it is only for media, so movies, music - so it is like in the days when one had cassette and recorded the music that was on radio (or VHS and TV) - allowed private use. Download of software without license/approval (so illegal download) is prohibited.
  - jeena 7y ago
    Yeah, it's funny/interesting how far divided morality and legality are.
  - TomMarius 7y ago
    It is not illegal in Europe even if you did not pay. Seems immoral though.
    - wolco 7y ago
      Your immoral point made me think. I think it seems immoral but the more I think about it, it's not. A corporation (like a studio) and capitalist system (like hollywood movie making) doesn't operate with morality. It seeks to gain the largest profit without regard to morality. If these movie companies reached a fair profit point and made the movie free afterwards you could make the point they acted with balance. If they shared profits with society morality could be an issue. But they try to make as much profit as the market will allow. They act without morality. Therefore you cannot assigned a morality value to your interactions with such entities. It is not immoral to pirate (even if it is illegal in some places).
      - anoncake 7y ago
        I agree that piracy isn't immoral in general but it isn't because capitalist corporations don't operate without morality. Isn't it immoral to harm a psychopath, who acts immorally because they are mentally ill?
        shakna 7y ago
        > Isn't it immoral to harm a psychopath, who acts immorally because they are mentally ill? It isn't definitive that piracy actually causes any significant or definitive harm to large organisations. It fact in many circumstances the effect can be reversed - those who pirate films are also more likely to watch them and to encourage others to watch them. Without a definitive answer to the harm question, you can't definitively assess the morality side of the question.
- anoncake 7y ago
  IMO the immoral thing here is supporting DRM. Especially since it's completely unnecessary to do so if it doesn't even gain you anything.
amerine 7y ago
This is a bummer. :-(. I only had this happen a long time ago with a iTunes code-provided copy of Shrek. Every other movie I’ve purchased has worked across generations of devices and stuff since the first iPad. I’m curious if I’m just lucky?
- netsharc 7y ago
  Presumably you've logged on to all the devices with your iTunes account? OP said he couldn't get the movie on to his girlfriend's iPad. Can an iPad have multiple iTunes accounts associated with it? AFAIK no, and if he had tried to log her out to log himself in, it would have erased her downloaded content. Ah, isn't DRM beautiful. I'm reminded of a time when a man sitting next to me on a flight couldn't play any downloaded content on his tablet he was not in his home region. Gee, people fly to places outside their home, what a surprise!
  - wolco 7y ago
    I'm okay if they label only playable in the lower 48 states but the problem is the surprise.

jeena 7y ago

You could re-download them DRM free from pirate bay, and because you already paid for them it wouldn't even be a immoral thing to do.

lkschubert8 7y ago
It would however be illegal, which is a concern to some.
- krzyk 7y ago
  Illegality depends on country, I think in Europe (or parts of it) you can download for your personal use, but you can't distribute (e.g. you can only leech, you can't seed).
  - wolco 7y ago
    Legal in Canada as well.
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      Only the downloading part, not the uploading part. And I think that’s music only too.
      - krzyk 7y ago
        To clarify in Poland it is only for media, so movies, music - so it is like in the days when one had cassette and recorded the music that was on radio (or VHS and TV) - allowed private use. Download of software without license/approval (so illegal download) is prohibited.
- jeena 7y ago
  Yeah, it's funny/interesting how far divided morality and legality are.
- TomMarius 7y ago
  It is not illegal in Europe even if you did not pay. Seems immoral though.
  - wolco 7y ago
    Your immoral point made me think. I think it seems immoral but the more I think about it, it's not. A corporation (like a studio) and capitalist system (like hollywood movie making) doesn't operate with morality. It seeks to gain the largest profit without regard to morality. If these movie companies reached a fair profit point and made the movie free afterwards you could make the point they acted with balance. If they shared profits with society morality could be an issue. But they try to make as much profit as the market will allow. They act without morality. Therefore you cannot assigned a morality value to your interactions with such entities. It is not immoral to pirate (even if it is illegal in some places).
    - anoncake 7y ago
      I agree that piracy isn't immoral in general but it isn't because capitalist corporations don't operate without morality. Isn't it immoral to harm a psychopath, who acts immorally because they are mentally ill?
      - shakna 7y ago
        > Isn't it immoral to harm a psychopath, who acts immorally because they are mentally ill? It isn't definitive that piracy actually causes any significant or definitive harm to large organisations. It fact in many circumstances the effect can be reversed - those who pirate films are also more likely to watch them and to encourage others to watch them. Without a definitive answer to the harm question, you can't definitively assess the morality side of the question.
anoncake 7y ago
IMO the immoral thing here is supporting DRM. Especially since it's completely unnecessary to do so if it doesn't even gain you anything.

amerine 7y ago

This is a bummer. :-(. I only had this happen a long time ago with a iTunes code-provided copy of Shrek. Every other movie I’ve purchased has worked across generations of devices and stuff since the first iPad. I’m curious if I’m just lucky?

netsharc 7y ago
Presumably you've logged on to all the devices with your iTunes account? OP said he couldn't get the movie on to his girlfriend's iPad. Can an iPad have multiple iTunes accounts associated with it? AFAIK no, and if he had tried to log her out to log himself in, it would have erased her downloaded content. Ah, isn't DRM beautiful. I'm reminded of a time when a man sitting next to me on a flight couldn't play any downloaded content on his tablet he was not in his home region. Gee, people fly to places outside their home, what a surprise!
- wolco 7y ago
  I'm okay if they label only playable in the lower 48 states but the problem is the surprise.