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A lot of cars today are designed around regulations and with aerodynamics in mind. For example in Europe you can't have a spoiler that could catch a cyclist. A
by thdrdt 7y ago
A lot of cars today are designed around regulations and with aerodynamics in mind.
For example in Europe you can't have a spoiler that could catch a cyclist.
And it is prefered that there is room between the hood and motor in case of an impact with a pedestrian.
This is why a lot of cars start to look the same.
This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. A door that doesn't dent on impact of a huge hammer gives a nice show but is a big no for a lot of different safety reasons.
- Aperocky 7y agoAlso, it looks like an aerodynamic disaster with its sharp edges and square shapes.
- ant6n 7y agoI though the new school of aerodynamics actually does involve sharp edges, something about breaking turbulence. For example, check out the newest high speed train of Germany, the ICE 4, designed for operating at up to 265km/h, with the weird edges around the front: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_4_(Deutsche_Bahn)#/media/File:ICE_4_at_Nuremberg_Hbf.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_4_(Deutsche_Bahn)#/media/F...
- sudosysgen 7y agoCFD estimations actually put it to be a bit more aerodynamic than the F-150, actually.
- dragontamer 7y agoDepends on the CFD estimation. This one puts it at 0.47: https://i.imgur.com/MnY9lDO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MnY9lDO.jpg An F-150 is 0.40. So according to this simulation, the Cybertruck is roughly 20% less efficient than the F150. Of course, all of these simulations are a crap-shoot. And secondly, towing efficiency seems primarily determined by weight / rolling resistance anyway. So I'm not sure how much CFDs really matter. On the other hand, electric batteries are more efficient. On the other-other hand, ICE gets more efficient the more weight you load on it. (Etc. etc. etc.) We can sit around and compare apples-to-shotguns all day, but whenever the thing comes out, we'll just run tests on it then. No point trying to make hypotheticals, just test it when it comes out. EDIT: Another point: the cybertruck, as revealed, doesn't have side-mirrors. So now we have to make a guess: will the final product have side mirrors? Is Musk aiming for a camera-based solution? Etc. etc. These sorts of details could change a CFD simulation significantly. Clearly, the design of the truck is in its early stages, and they still have a lot of work to do. We really don't know what the final product will look like at any detail where an accurate CFD-model could be made.
- app4soft 7y ago> This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe. To be honest, Cybertruck may be not allowed in Europe for citizens, but I not see any limitations that could prevent allowing Cybertruck for farming in Europe.
- petre 7y agoFarming? You probably mean riot control. The thing looks as if it's taken straight out of Judge Dredd.
- mcv 7y agoThe angles remind me of Total Recall.
- dividedbyzero 7y agoSouthern Germany is chock full of small to large-ish farms (all of which would be tiny to small for US standards I guess), but either people hide their pick-up trucks extremely well, or there aren't a lot of them around. Also, wouldn't not having a Straßenzulassung (permission for road use) mean you couldn't use it on public streets at all?
- murkt 7y agoCrete, on the other hand, is full of pickup trucks.
- solarkraft 7y agoYou can see a tractor on the road every now and then, so there must be some regulatory way. However that comes with servere limitations, for example on speed.
- dfc 7y agoI have heard people mention that European safety rules that would prevent sale if the cybertruck. But nobody says which rules and why. Can you elaborate?
- murkt 7y agoI think what’s usually meant are rules regarding pedestrian safety. For example, EuroNCAP has crash tests for a vehicle colliding with a leg and with a head, at 30 kmh, I believe.
- NullPrefix 7y agoWouldn't these same rules apply for all the other pickup trucks?
- murkt 7y agoSure, they would apply to all pickups. You can find videos of EuroNCAP tests for VW Amarok, Toyota Hilux, Mitsubishi L200, Ford Ranger and some other trucks. However, I couldn’t find anything about Cybertruck competitors like Ford F150. Guess they are not sold in EU? Or maybe they’re classified differently, I haven’t seen tests for big actual trucks that can haul 5, 10 tons or more.
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- kazen44 7y agothis might alsso have to do with the fact that a F150 might be qualified as a truck instead of a passenger car? i am not sure if that is also the case with the tesla truck, but it might be reason why no tests are available. But people seem to forget trucks barely sell in europe compared to the US.
- thdrdt 7y agoFor most part the lack of a crumple zone because the body is made of 'unbendable' steel. Airbags become useless when they handle all the impact of a crash. And how will they cut you out of your truck in case of an emergency? But I think Elon is not stupid. Current Tesla's are extremely safe so he knows what he is doing. That's why I think there is more to the launch of the cybertruck. I think they sold an idea instead of a truck. The production cybertruck might look the same but will not be wat is promised.
- mcv 7y ago> "This is also why the cybertruck in it's current form will never be allowed in Europe." No great loss. Europe isn't a big market for pickup trucks. The other Teslas are selling like hotcakes, though. The Cybertruck might create a market for pickup trucks, but in this shape that seems unlikely.