4 ms·

There is no way this vehicle will get approved in Europe. I don't think the design is even salvageable. The folded stainless steel unibody goes fundamentally ag

by yreg 7y ago

There is no way this vehicle will get approved in Europe. I don't think the design is even salvageable. The folded stainless steel unibody goes fundamentally against our expectation of both passenger and pedestrian safety. Since virtually no one drives gigantic american-style pickups in EU, it makes no sense for Tesla to develop a separate alternative EU-regulation-compatible version based on totally different manufacturing design. I think it's pretty dishonest that Tesla asks for deposits for Cybertruck over here, since I believe they don't plan to ever sell them to us. And I'm saying that as a person who likes Tesla, Inc. very much.

geolgau 7y ago
> Since virtually no one drives gigantic american-style pickups in EU Come to Romania. You'd be surprised.
- quaquaqua1 7y ago
  Based Romanians speaking up about trucks and also being EU
- poloniculmov 7y ago
  We do have lots of SUVs, but they're not really that big. It's not like you can see F250s everywhere.
Roritharr 7y ago
Thanks to the EU Laws this is not really true. You can buy and drive a street legal two-seater Go-Karts since 2002... There's a lot of loopholes they can use to get this approved, if they should need them.
chrisseaton 7y ago
> Since virtually no one drives gigantic american-style pickups in EU Farmers and other people who work in land industries use them all over the world. Have you been out of a city much? What do you think they use instead? The brands just tend to be Japanese outside the US.
- IshKebab 7y ago
  Most people are not farmers. Even then, have you seen the size of American F-150 style trucks in person? They are absolutely enormous. Even farmers do not drive cars that big, at least in the UK.
- tzs 7y ago
  I think that by "gigantic american-style pickups" he meant full-size pickups. From what I've read, most pickups in Europe are mid-size.
  - yreg 7y ago
    That's what I meant. I have spent a lot of time in the countryside and have visited most of the countries in the EU, but I see a truck like F-150 only once in a few years.
nimbius 7y ago
I know this is a little pedantic but this article reads like a trainwreck to start with. >According to a TUV expert for anyone reading this outside Germany, thats a Technical Inspection Association. pretty vague as to what it does in the 21st century pertaining to vehicles specifically though...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsv... >because the inmates were not safe. the nearly unilaterally agreed upon english definition for an inmate is not the same as passenger. >sees black in english, seeing black is a finance colloquialism at best. at worst, its a pejorative for racist tendencies. im guessing its a different sentiment in Germany entirely. >Nothing is deformed in the event of an impact, instead enormous forces act on the occupants," says Teller in the "Automobilwoche". "Airbags will no longer help." This is wildly speculative conjecture based on a single marketing event. No technical authority would ever dream of basing their evaluation on it...unless you wanted to get your name in the press alongside a hot new vehicle. The concept we're trying to get at here is called a crumple zone. Tesla S, tesla 3, and virtually every other mass produced vehicle on the planet have them as part of a standard safety requirement. There is no reason to propose teslas new truck would not include them. The article also completely ignores the long standing tradition of safety approval for bullet-proof vehicles. Mercedes G500 and BMW 7 series fitted with rigid armour plating and bulletproof glass are all approved for use in the EU and US. As for unibody vs body on frame construction, youre wrong. body on frame vehicles cannot BY DESIGN have crumple zones to protect pedestrians, and often score lower on crash tests as a result. https://autoreviewhub.com/unibody-vs-body-on-frame/ https://autoreviewhub.com/unibody-vs-body-on-frame/
- pasabagi 7y ago
  >in english, seeing black is a finance colloquialism at best. at worst, its a pejorative for racist tendencies. im guessing its a different sentiment in Germany entirely. Are you a native speaker? I've never heard 'seeing black' said in a racial sense. It is however colloquially used (in the UK at least). I think it's also an idiom in German (my wife, a German, uses it often). Also not in a racist sense - also simply meaning, to 'see nothing good about' something.
  - 7y ago
sunstone 7y ago
I wonder if the Hummer was ever sold in Europe? It would seem to have many of the same issues as the CyberTruck.
- masklinn 7y ago
  The Hummer was sold in Europe. As a light truck requiring a C1 license, which aside from being different than the B license of a regular car has to be renewed every 5 years (until 60, then 2 years until 76 then 1 year) with a medical exam on each renewal.
- sschueller 7y ago
  The hummer is not as big (h1 is 4.69 m long, the cybertruck is 5.88 m) and that was before all these new regulations for pedestrian safety have been put in place.

by yreg 7y ago

geolgau 7y ago

> Since virtually no one drives gigantic american-style pickups in EU Come to Romania. You'd be surprised.

quaquaqua1 7y ago
Based Romanians speaking up about trucks and also being EU
poloniculmov 7y ago
We do have lots of SUVs, but they're not really that big. It's not like you can see F250s everywhere.

Roritharr 7y ago

Thanks to the EU Laws this is not really true. You can buy and drive a street legal two-seater Go-Karts since 2002... There's a lot of loopholes they can use to get this approved, if they should need them.

chrisseaton 7y ago

> Since virtually no one drives gigantic american-style pickups in EU Farmers and other people who work in land industries use them all over the world. Have you been out of a city much? What do you think they use instead? The brands just tend to be Japanese outside the US.

IshKebab 7y ago
Most people are not farmers. Even then, have you seen the size of American F-150 style trucks in person? They are absolutely enormous. Even farmers do not drive cars that big, at least in the UK.
tzs 7y ago
I think that by "gigantic american-style pickups" he meant full-size pickups. From what I've read, most pickups in Europe are mid-size.
- yreg 7y ago
  That's what I meant. I have spent a lot of time in the countryside and have visited most of the countries in the EU, but I see a truck like F-150 only once in a few years.

nimbius 7y ago

I know this is a little pedantic but this article reads like a trainwreck to start with. >According to a TUV expert for anyone reading this outside Germany, thats a Technical Inspection Association. pretty vague as to what it does in the 21st century pertaining to vehicles specifically though...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsv... >because the inmates were not safe. the nearly unilaterally agreed upon english definition for an inmate is not the same as passenger. >sees black in english, seeing black is a finance colloquialism at best. at worst, its a pejorative for racist tendencies. im guessing its a different sentiment in Germany entirely. >Nothing is deformed in the event of an impact, instead enormous forces act on the occupants," says Teller in the "Automobilwoche". "Airbags will no longer help." This is wildly speculative conjecture based on a single marketing event. No technical authority would ever dream of basing their evaluation on it...unless you wanted to get your name in the press alongside a hot new vehicle. The concept we're trying to get at here is called a crumple zone. Tesla S, tesla 3, and virtually every other mass produced vehicle on the planet have them as part of a standard safety requirement. There is no reason to propose teslas new truck would not include them. The article also completely ignores the long standing tradition of safety approval for bullet-proof vehicles. Mercedes G500 and BMW 7 series fitted with rigid armour plating and bulletproof glass are all approved for use in the EU and US. As for unibody vs body on frame construction, youre wrong. body on frame vehicles cannot BY DESIGN have crumple zones to protect pedestrians, and often score lower on crash tests as a result. https://autoreviewhub.com/unibody-vs-body-on-frame/ https://autoreviewhub.com/unibody-vs-body-on-frame/

pasabagi 7y ago
>in english, seeing black is a finance colloquialism at best. at worst, its a pejorative for racist tendencies. im guessing its a different sentiment in Germany entirely. Are you a native speaker? I've never heard 'seeing black' said in a racial sense. It is however colloquially used (in the UK at least). I think it's also an idiom in German (my wife, a German, uses it often). Also not in a racist sense - also simply meaning, to 'see nothing good about' something.
- 7y ago

sunstone 7y ago

I wonder if the Hummer was ever sold in Europe? It would seem to have many of the same issues as the CyberTruck.

masklinn 7y ago
The Hummer was sold in Europe. As a light truck requiring a C1 license, which aside from being different than the B license of a regular car has to be renewed every 5 years (until 60, then 2 years until 76 then 1 year) with a medical exam on each renewal.
sschueller 7y ago
The hummer is not as big (h1 is 4.69 m long, the cybertruck is 5.88 m) and that was before all these new regulations for pedestrian safety have been put in place.