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Stop using gmail, it seems daunting but it really only took me a few solid hours to switch all my important accounts to a paid provider like fastmail. Think ab

Stop using gmail, it seems daunting but it really only took me a few solid hours to switch all my important accounts to a paid provider like fastmail. Think about how many important accounts you link through email and then think about how, if you don’t pay for gmail, Google doesn’t owe you access to your email or any service at all. It feels great being free and you can setup forwarding so you can pick up the stragglers. You also get the added spam freedom and security benefit of changing both your email and password which is great since we have no idea what leaked email/password lists are floating around out there... it’s like the ultimate unsubscribe!

bredren 7y ago
Do you use google docs and other office tools? I've tried to switch to Dropbox Paper and Microsoft but they feel clumsy or incomplete or spammy or slow compared to Doc and Sheets. I'm looking for a relatively straightfoward set of changes to my major web activities away from google.
- shantly 7y ago
  Apple's office suite is really nice, if you're in that world. I dunno if they do collaborative editing, but Notes does, so they might. If it's gotta be in a browser—IDK, it bugs me having a document editor or spreadsheet program eat so much memory and so many background cycles that I don't feel like I can leave it open and forget about it while doing other things even on a pretty powerful machine without slowing things down and killing my battery, plus they all feel really laggy, so I've mostly stopped using browser-based office tools, period, whenever I can avoid them.
  - reaperducer 7y ago
    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote do collaborative editing, even across devies: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206181 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206181 "Invite others to your documents and work on them together in real time. Collaboration is built into the iWork apps on iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, Mac, and iCloud.com"
    - shantly 7y ago
      I just like how lightweight they are, and (this may be silly, I know) I like how good-looking and useful the included templates are. Also they rarely crash or do anything weird, which you'd think would just be normal by now, but very much is not. Last time I remember using modern-ish GUI Office-type programs that felt this respectful of system resources was years ago when I used Linux, and I dropped OpenOffice (too damn heavy and slow) for some of the single-purpose alternatives like Gnumeric (is that even around anymore?). Apple's various utility and basic productivity programs are really damn good (god I love Preview) and a big part of what keeps me suffering through all the bad things about Apple products.
- s3r3nity 7y ago
  I'd be curious how you're using MSFT Office, but I've been bouncing between a Surface Pro for work and Mac Mini at home, and love the Office 365 suite. Virtually 100% of my clients can open Word / Excel / Powerpoint documents, and you'll have to pry Excel from my cold, dead hands =). I personally love the power features of Excel, and even do some VBA scripting to automate some workflows in Excel and Outlook. I don't do much real-time collab on documents at the same time with other folks on my team, so I can't attest to that - though I hear that Msft has come a long way here and the Fluent roadmap looks really promising.
  - mikedilger 7y ago
    I can't stand excel. It thinks it knows what I mean and actually edits my data destructively, mistakenly, especially when I enter dates in day/month/year format. If you just import a CSV and then export it directly, it mangles the data. I will not tolerate such behavior. If you have a column of phone numbers with leading zeroes, coming in from a csv, it decides it's a number and drops the leading zero, which breaks the phone number.
    - davchana 7y ago
      I paste the data via Text Import Wizard, choose Text for the date columns, & then later split & join again as correct date format.
    - bransonf 7y ago
      I figured out that you can technically specify type in Excel to prevent destroying the data, but by that point I’d much rather just load a data frame in R or Pandas.
    - invisiblerobot 7y ago
      Maybe you just suck at Excel ;) https://youtu.be/0nbkaYsR94c https://youtu.be/0nbkaYsR94c
  - kerng 7y ago
    This. Microsoft Office and O365 are magnitudes more useable and mature compared to GSuites. This wasn't clear to me until I'm now at a shop that only uses Google - its like a giant step back tech and usability wise. A year in now, and slowly getting some O365 shadow IT going to improve everyones life. Lol And everyone knows, Microsoft Office isn't perfect...
- leokennis 7y ago
  In the case of Gmail vs. Fastmail I’m not so sure it’s a downgrade, but if you switch away from Google Docs etc. you will indeed lose things you were used to (great collaboration, speed etc.) However you also gain something. For me personally actually three things: * I no longer feel like the service I’m using is like a rug that can be pulled from under my feet at any moment * My data (mail, documents, etc.) are now actually under my control and not in some “arbitrary“ format on a server I can’t reach except from my browser * As a bonus feature, my mail is only read by me and my behavior is tracked by no one
- PretzelFisch 7y ago
  I am not sure how you use Word and Excel but google's offering are like tinker toys compared to what MS has put out for the desktop and web.
mal10c 7y ago
Completely agree with this. In my case, I have a domain at namecheap. I've been using their hosted email for a while now and love it! So glad I left Gmail.
frutiger 7y ago
I did something easier than moving to Fastmail, I just paid for Gmail.
- falcolas 7y ago
  How does that change Google from disallowing access to Gmail from your browser (if you use a non-mainstream browser)?
  - chias 7y ago
    It is responding to the parent comment, which says: > if you don’t pay for gmail, Google doesn’t owe you access to your email or any service at all.
    - willis936 7y ago
      This gets at the fundamental question of trust. Do we inherently trust fastmail more than google because fastmail does not offer a free service? Do we trust google to give any amount of service to their paying customers? It’s a hard question and I don’t have the answer. My gut says fastmail is likely more trustworthy because of their non-evil business model and lack of horrible customer service. Idk though. If I still use google domains for an email alias domain is that an acceptable risk? What if the technocrats decide that their emails are the only Real Emails and block out any email that isn’t in the gmail/iCloud/hotmail/etc circle? Email is too important of an identifier to play games with. Losing my primary email without a chance to migrate is something I will try to avoid at great cost.
    - falcolas 7y ago
      Which is still relevant, because Google won't give you access to your email unless you use a major browser (or imap, etc) regardless of whether you pay.
- kgwxd 7y ago
  I'm sure you get some other benefits for that, but I'm also sure you're still being tracked.
pepr 7y ago
I have tried switching to fastmail and it was incredibly painful. In a nutshell, Microsoft/Hotmail and possibly other providers started to throw my emails to people to spam. I've missed out on important things in the physical world because of this. I've invested a lot of time trying to debug the issue. To their credit, Fastmail's customer service was excellent and they really tried to resolve the issues but in the end could not. Also, fastmail web UI was okay but not great. I do like the new GMail UI better.
- normalnorm 7y ago
  I had this problem in the beginning (specifically and only with hotmail), but it solved itself at some point. No idea if it was something that fastmail did or that hotmail did. I have been using fastmail for one year and had zero other problems. If we don't move away from gmail, we will lose email, which is one of the only true decentralized and free protocols still left.
  - dorfsmay 7y ago
    I had the reverse problem, stopped accepting my mails, after decade of non issue. I think it's time we organise ourselves as small mail provider organisation. Anybody feeling the same please ping me.
- sgc 7y ago
  I have used fastmail for all my business accounts for years. I have never had problems with deliverability. But I did warm the accounts using best practices recommended online to start.
  - koheripbal 7y ago
    What do you mean by "warm" and "best practices" ?
    - TrentLarr 7y ago
      Email spam detection is hilarious. Basically, you have to take a set of ritual steps to "warm" various email resources (such as domains, addresses, and IPs) to be flagged as "known" and "legitimate". For example, IP addresses: you should send warming emails to a valid address that you control for a few weeks to just show up on lists without having spam marks against you. It's insane.
nephrite 7y ago
Better just use a mail client instead of browser. It uses standard protocols, has no ads and you decide what interface it has.
- filmgirlcw 7y ago
  This is what I do. I use a mail client and forgo web interfaces unless forced. Fastmail is a fine mail provider (I'm cheap and I'm not giving up my 4 grandfathered GSuite custom domain accounts, especially since 3 of them have support for 50 "users" b/c moving the same setup to Fastmail would cost hundreds of dollars a year), but even with them, I would still much rather use a mail client.
- foobaw 7y ago
  I use Superhuman and I enjoy it.
  - mritchie712 7y ago
    which only works with a Google Account
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Happy Thunderbird user here, and do occasionally send my donations to help keeping my favourite mail client alive.
Yajirobe 7y ago
> if you don’t pay for gmail, Google doesn’t owe you access to your email Could you provide some examples where a user was denied access to his/her email?
- eddieh 7y ago
  I'm locked out of two of Gmail my accounts. There's no way to recover the accounts as far as I can tell. I'm not going to pay them and just hope they can get me back in.
  - Yajirobe 7y ago
    There has to be a reason for that (e.g. breaking the terms of service).
    - eddieh 7y ago
      You’d think that, but nope. Signed up during the beta by invite, never used them. Unless not using them violates the terms of service? I have all the recovery info too and original passwords. It accepts the password and recovery stuff, but just won’t let me in.
- vortico 7y ago
  Just 5 minutes ago, when I tried to log into my Google account with a browser not "approved" by Google.
frou_dh 7y ago
> It feels great being free and you can setup forwarding so you can pick up the stragglers. Then if you create a rule at the new provider that files those messages into a dedicated folder, that folder essentially acts as a todo list for accounts that need updated.
eddieh 7y ago
I'm literally locked out of two of my Gmail accounts and there's no recourse for me. I'm not going to pay them to regain access. I'm just never going to use any of their services, paid or not.
rozab 7y ago
Google have been blocking lots of youtube accounts recently for no reason, which means getting locked out of gmail forever
stiray 7y ago
Let me just go further with this, not only moving emails to another provider, get raspberry pi, get a domain, get a certificate, get static ip, take some time to read one of tutorials on internet and set up postfix/dovecot. It is really liberating to run your own mail server, defining aliases/mail accounts on the fly, let me give you just one example, I am using a different alias specifically crafted for each service. I have cought numerous of sites selling it for spam (or it was hacked). Getting rid of spam? Just /dev/null the account/alias. Annoying newsletters? /dev/null. Need another account on service? Generate new account/alias. Not to mention the amount of knowlidge you will gain from running your own server. Get rid of dependancy on others, you dont need it. And with some basic knowlidge it is not even hard. You dont need google or anyone else for email communication.
- pg_is_a_butt 7y ago
  Most ISP contracts say you can't run such services, even though it may work for a while. What happens when your ISP shuts you down after a 0day renders your pi an open relay?
- willis936 7y ago
  It’s a neat idea, but mail server availability needs to be 100%. I’m not going to buy and maintain server hardware if I can help it. I have a dual CPU workstation and the jump to a proper server is just insane, even to me.
  - stiray 7y ago
    I am doing it for 10 years, with almost 0 downtime, also smtp server that hands over mail to your server will retry and wait so - no, it doesnt need to be up 24/7. Actually rejecting email with try later is a way of fighting spam. Also with a $100 worth UPS, raspberry pi lasts forever. And pi is all you need.
zzzeek 7y ago
I've switched to fastmail, and am staying with it. However, almost every aspect of it is objectively worse than Gmail; browser UX more awkward, Android email clients besides Google mail are awful and Google mail itself has very broken behaviors with it, spam filtering is poor, i had to give up things like nice calendar and address book integrations, etc. However, as i pay Google for many other services, that means I am vulnerable to total and permanent account lock out if someone steals my credit card and gets it flagged by Google as fraudulent, as has been reported by more than one blog post. As long as Google does not address the issue of customer service being within their top 25 list of priorities, it is insane for anyone to use Gmail for important mail identities.
- thsowers 7y ago
  For me, after switching to fastmail my load time in browser went from around 30 seconds with the "new" gmail to under 5 with fastmail. Using HTML view on gmail the speed is more comparable
- officeplant 7y ago
  >Android email clients besides Google mail are awful I still use K-9 Mail to handle my non-gmail accounts. I find it very usable with how it threads my work emails. Although from what I understand its not actively developed anymore and the last post I see on the playstore says Sept 2018. I'm open to suggestions if anyone has them, especially if they are available via F-Droid.
  - jdofaz 7y ago
    Looks alive to me https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/releases https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/releases , F-Droid has the most recent pre-release from last week.
    - tecleandor 7y ago
      Releases were stalled for a long while, and then, past week, released a really big update, both technical and cosmetic.
OrgNet 7y ago
The main reason why I hate gmail nowadays is because it blocks me from login in from other device because they say someone hacked my account
justusthane 7y ago
Totally. And a lot of people don't realize you can remove Gmail from your Google account, and then use your new non-gmail address as the username for your existing Google Account. That way folks can still share Google docs with you, etc. Works seamlessly.
clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago
If it works for me then why should I?
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OldGuyInTheClub 7y ago
Google can still affect you by not delivering your emails. I've had my own domain for personal, noncommercial use for 15+ years the past few with Rackspace as the email host. I accessed my email account with Thunderbird, webmail, BlueMail on the phone. As of a few days ago I cannot send email to friends with Gmail or businesses that subscribe to Gsuite. My messages are rejected at their servers. I think the domain name itself is triggering the block since Rackspace says their servers and IP addresses are clean. I found out about SPF, DKIM, and DMARC and set them up, followed all the other instructions on assorted Google sites, and still no go. Apparently the blocks can take weeks to clear or may even be permanent. The reject emails say to contact postmaster@google.com which, of course, is pointless since I can't email the domain. I don't even think there's anything behind it if I could. There's no way to contact any person or group regarding the block which I think must have happened due to spoofing. From what I can see, domains these days are assumed to be commercial for mass mailings and having one's own for incidental use is an outlier.

bredren 7y ago

Do you use google docs and other office tools? I've tried to switch to Dropbox Paper and Microsoft but they feel clumsy or incomplete or spammy or slow compared to Doc and Sheets. I'm looking for a relatively straightfoward set of changes to my major web activities away from google.

shantly 7y ago
Apple's office suite is really nice, if you're in that world. I dunno if they do collaborative editing, but Notes does, so they might. If it's gotta be in a browser—IDK, it bugs me having a document editor or spreadsheet program eat so much memory and so many background cycles that I don't feel like I can leave it open and forget about it while doing other things even on a pretty powerful machine without slowing things down and killing my battery, plus they all feel really laggy, so I've mostly stopped using browser-based office tools, period, whenever I can avoid them.
- reaperducer 7y ago
  Pages, Numbers, and Keynote do collaborative editing, even across devies: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206181 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206181 "Invite others to your documents and work on them together in real time. Collaboration is built into the iWork apps on iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, Mac, and iCloud.com"
  - shantly 7y ago
    I just like how lightweight they are, and (this may be silly, I know) I like how good-looking and useful the included templates are. Also they rarely crash or do anything weird, which you'd think would just be normal by now, but very much is not. Last time I remember using modern-ish GUI Office-type programs that felt this respectful of system resources was years ago when I used Linux, and I dropped OpenOffice (too damn heavy and slow) for some of the single-purpose alternatives like Gnumeric (is that even around anymore?). Apple's various utility and basic productivity programs are really damn good (god I love Preview) and a big part of what keeps me suffering through all the bad things about Apple products.
s3r3nity 7y ago
I'd be curious how you're using MSFT Office, but I've been bouncing between a Surface Pro for work and Mac Mini at home, and love the Office 365 suite. Virtually 100% of my clients can open Word / Excel / Powerpoint documents, and you'll have to pry Excel from my cold, dead hands =). I personally love the power features of Excel, and even do some VBA scripting to automate some workflows in Excel and Outlook. I don't do much real-time collab on documents at the same time with other folks on my team, so I can't attest to that - though I hear that Msft has come a long way here and the Fluent roadmap looks really promising.
- mikedilger 7y ago
  I can't stand excel. It thinks it knows what I mean and actually edits my data destructively, mistakenly, especially when I enter dates in day/month/year format. If you just import a CSV and then export it directly, it mangles the data. I will not tolerate such behavior. If you have a column of phone numbers with leading zeroes, coming in from a csv, it decides it's a number and drops the leading zero, which breaks the phone number.
  - davchana 7y ago
    I paste the data via Text Import Wizard, choose Text for the date columns, & then later split & join again as correct date format.
  - bransonf 7y ago
    I figured out that you can technically specify type in Excel to prevent destroying the data, but by that point I’d much rather just load a data frame in R or Pandas.
  - invisiblerobot 7y ago
    Maybe you just suck at Excel ;) https://youtu.be/0nbkaYsR94c https://youtu.be/0nbkaYsR94c
- kerng 7y ago
  This. Microsoft Office and O365 are magnitudes more useable and mature compared to GSuites. This wasn't clear to me until I'm now at a shop that only uses Google - its like a giant step back tech and usability wise. A year in now, and slowly getting some O365 shadow IT going to improve everyones life. Lol And everyone knows, Microsoft Office isn't perfect...
leokennis 7y ago
In the case of Gmail vs. Fastmail I’m not so sure it’s a downgrade, but if you switch away from Google Docs etc. you will indeed lose things you were used to (great collaboration, speed etc.) However you also gain something. For me personally actually three things: * I no longer feel like the service I’m using is like a rug that can be pulled from under my feet at any moment * My data (mail, documents, etc.) are now actually under my control and not in some “arbitrary“ format on a server I can’t reach except from my browser * As a bonus feature, my mail is only read by me and my behavior is tracked by no one
PretzelFisch 7y ago
I am not sure how you use Word and Excel but google's offering are like tinker toys compared to what MS has put out for the desktop and web.

mal10c 7y ago

Completely agree with this. In my case, I have a domain at namecheap. I've been using their hosted email for a while now and love it! So glad I left Gmail.

frutiger 7y ago

I did something easier than moving to Fastmail, I just paid for Gmail.

falcolas 7y ago
How does that change Google from disallowing access to Gmail from your browser (if you use a non-mainstream browser)?
- chias 7y ago
  It is responding to the parent comment, which says: > if you don’t pay for gmail, Google doesn’t owe you access to your email or any service at all.
  - willis936 7y ago
    This gets at the fundamental question of trust. Do we inherently trust fastmail more than google because fastmail does not offer a free service? Do we trust google to give any amount of service to their paying customers? It’s a hard question and I don’t have the answer. My gut says fastmail is likely more trustworthy because of their non-evil business model and lack of horrible customer service. Idk though. If I still use google domains for an email alias domain is that an acceptable risk? What if the technocrats decide that their emails are the only Real Emails and block out any email that isn’t in the gmail/iCloud/hotmail/etc circle? Email is too important of an identifier to play games with. Losing my primary email without a chance to migrate is something I will try to avoid at great cost.
  - falcolas 7y ago
    Which is still relevant, because Google won't give you access to your email unless you use a major browser (or imap, etc) regardless of whether you pay.
kgwxd 7y ago
I'm sure you get some other benefits for that, but I'm also sure you're still being tracked.

pepr 7y ago

I have tried switching to fastmail and it was incredibly painful. In a nutshell, Microsoft/Hotmail and possibly other providers started to throw my emails to people to spam. I've missed out on important things in the physical world because of this. I've invested a lot of time trying to debug the issue. To their credit, Fastmail's customer service was excellent and they really tried to resolve the issues but in the end could not. Also, fastmail web UI was okay but not great. I do like the new GMail UI better.

normalnorm 7y ago
I had this problem in the beginning (specifically and only with hotmail), but it solved itself at some point. No idea if it was something that fastmail did or that hotmail did. I have been using fastmail for one year and had zero other problems. If we don't move away from gmail, we will lose email, which is one of the only true decentralized and free protocols still left.
- dorfsmay 7y ago
  I had the reverse problem, stopped accepting my mails, after decade of non issue. I think it's time we organise ourselves as small mail provider organisation. Anybody feeling the same please ping me.
sgc 7y ago
I have used fastmail for all my business accounts for years. I have never had problems with deliverability. But I did warm the accounts using best practices recommended online to start.
- koheripbal 7y ago
  What do you mean by "warm" and "best practices" ?
  - TrentLarr 7y ago
    Email spam detection is hilarious. Basically, you have to take a set of ritual steps to "warm" various email resources (such as domains, addresses, and IPs) to be flagged as "known" and "legitimate". For example, IP addresses: you should send warming emails to a valid address that you control for a few weeks to just show up on lists without having spam marks against you. It's insane.

nephrite 7y ago

Better just use a mail client instead of browser. It uses standard protocols, has no ads and you decide what interface it has.

filmgirlcw 7y ago
This is what I do. I use a mail client and forgo web interfaces unless forced. Fastmail is a fine mail provider (I'm cheap and I'm not giving up my 4 grandfathered GSuite custom domain accounts, especially since 3 of them have support for 50 "users" b/c moving the same setup to Fastmail would cost hundreds of dollars a year), but even with them, I would still much rather use a mail client.
foobaw 7y ago
I use Superhuman and I enjoy it.
- mritchie712 7y ago
  which only works with a Google Account
pjmlp 7y ago
Happy Thunderbird user here, and do occasionally send my donations to help keeping my favourite mail client alive.

Yajirobe 7y ago

> if you don’t pay for gmail, Google doesn’t owe you access to your email Could you provide some examples where a user was denied access to his/her email?

eddieh 7y ago
I'm locked out of two of Gmail my accounts. There's no way to recover the accounts as far as I can tell. I'm not going to pay them and just hope they can get me back in.
- Yajirobe 7y ago
  There has to be a reason for that (e.g. breaking the terms of service).
  - eddieh 7y ago
    You’d think that, but nope. Signed up during the beta by invite, never used them. Unless not using them violates the terms of service? I have all the recovery info too and original passwords. It accepts the password and recovery stuff, but just won’t let me in.
vortico 7y ago
Just 5 minutes ago, when I tried to log into my Google account with a browser not "approved" by Google.

frou_dh 7y ago

> It feels great being free and you can setup forwarding so you can pick up the stragglers. Then if you create a rule at the new provider that files those messages into a dedicated folder, that folder essentially acts as a todo list for accounts that need updated.

eddieh 7y ago

I'm literally locked out of two of my Gmail accounts and there's no recourse for me. I'm not going to pay them to regain access. I'm just never going to use any of their services, paid or not.

rozab 7y ago

Google have been blocking lots of youtube accounts recently for no reason, which means getting locked out of gmail forever

stiray 7y ago

Let me just go further with this, not only moving emails to another provider, get raspberry pi, get a domain, get a certificate, get static ip, take some time to read one of tutorials on internet and set up postfix/dovecot. It is really liberating to run your own mail server, defining aliases/mail accounts on the fly, let me give you just one example, I am using a different alias specifically crafted for each service. I have cought numerous of sites selling it for spam (or it was hacked). Getting rid of spam? Just /dev/null the account/alias. Annoying newsletters? /dev/null. Need another account on service? Generate new account/alias. Not to mention the amount of knowlidge you will gain from running your own server. Get rid of dependancy on others, you dont need it. And with some basic knowlidge it is not even hard. You dont need google or anyone else for email communication.

pg_is_a_butt 7y ago
Most ISP contracts say you can't run such services, even though it may work for a while. What happens when your ISP shuts you down after a 0day renders your pi an open relay?
willis936 7y ago
It’s a neat idea, but mail server availability needs to be 100%. I’m not going to buy and maintain server hardware if I can help it. I have a dual CPU workstation and the jump to a proper server is just insane, even to me.
- stiray 7y ago
  I am doing it for 10 years, with almost 0 downtime, also smtp server that hands over mail to your server will retry and wait so - no, it doesnt need to be up 24/7. Actually rejecting email with try later is a way of fighting spam. Also with a $100 worth UPS, raspberry pi lasts forever. And pi is all you need.

zzzeek 7y ago

I've switched to fastmail, and am staying with it. However, almost every aspect of it is objectively worse than Gmail; browser UX more awkward, Android email clients besides Google mail are awful and Google mail itself has very broken behaviors with it, spam filtering is poor, i had to give up things like nice calendar and address book integrations, etc. However, as i pay Google for many other services, that means I am vulnerable to total and permanent account lock out if someone steals my credit card and gets it flagged by Google as fraudulent, as has been reported by more than one blog post. As long as Google does not address the issue of customer service being within their top 25 list of priorities, it is insane for anyone to use Gmail for important mail identities.

thsowers 7y ago
For me, after switching to fastmail my load time in browser went from around 30 seconds with the "new" gmail to under 5 with fastmail. Using HTML view on gmail the speed is more comparable
officeplant 7y ago
>Android email clients besides Google mail are awful I still use K-9 Mail to handle my non-gmail accounts. I find it very usable with how it threads my work emails. Although from what I understand its not actively developed anymore and the last post I see on the playstore says Sept 2018. I'm open to suggestions if anyone has them, especially if they are available via F-Droid.
- jdofaz 7y ago
  Looks alive to me https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/releases https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/releases , F-Droid has the most recent pre-release from last week.
  - tecleandor 7y ago
    Releases were stalled for a long while, and then, past week, released a really big update, both technical and cosmetic.

OrgNet 7y ago

The main reason why I hate gmail nowadays is because it blocks me from login in from other device because they say someone hacked my account

justusthane 7y ago

Totally. And a lot of people don't realize you can remove Gmail from your Google account, and then use your new non-gmail address as the username for your existing Google Account. That way folks can still share Google docs with you, etc. Works seamlessly.

clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago

If it works for me then why should I?

deleted 7y ago

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OldGuyInTheClub 7y ago

Google can still affect you by not delivering your emails. I've had my own domain for personal, noncommercial use for 15+ years the past few with Rackspace as the email host. I accessed my email account with Thunderbird, webmail, BlueMail on the phone. As of a few days ago I cannot send email to friends with Gmail or businesses that subscribe to Gsuite. My messages are rejected at their servers. I think the domain name itself is triggering the block since Rackspace says their servers and IP addresses are clean. I found out about SPF, DKIM, and DMARC and set them up, followed all the other instructions on assorted Google sites, and still no go. Apparently the blocks can take weeks to clear or may even be permanent. The reject emails say to contact postmaster@google.com which, of course, is pointless since I can't email the domain. I don't even think there's anything behind it if I could. There's no way to contact any person or group regarding the block which I think must have happened due to spoofing. From what I can see, domains these days are assumed to be commercial for mass mailings and having one's own for incidental use is an outlier.