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$59,945.00 for a fully loaded desktop PC with monitor sure does feel like this is an elaborate troll job. On the other hand, if they are in a position to comma

by AmVess 7y ago

$59,945.00 for a fully loaded desktop PC with monitor sure does feel like this is an elaborate troll job. On the other hand, if they are in a position to command that sort of dosh for it, why not? With all the cash they have, I'd to see some innovation in technology versus a weird chassis design and adding zeros to price tags, though.

holstvoogd 7y ago
I think calling it a desktop pc is a bit of an understatement :P I have to say though, after buying a non-apple laptop recently, I feel at least macbooks are worth the extra 1k over what I paid just for build quality. I something with similar specs to my MBP for ~1600$ and it is just a piece of shitty plastic with a crappy trackpad & worse speakers than on a 90s phone. I'll gladly pay the premium to have apple harware I've learned hehe
- mister_hn 7y ago
  sure, then how do you explain the continuous drama made here on HN and on Reddit about the faulty Keyboard (for 3 years), the speakers that "pop" (fresh on MBP 16") and thermal throttling? 1K extra doesn't make the product "pro" or "premium", especially if you don't allow people to upgrade it after the Warranty is expired (RAM and Disk soldered, nice).
  - duelingjello 7y ago
    See also: Numerous Louis Rossmann video rants about the smallest dust particles messing up butterfly keyboards. ;)
  - Betelgeuse90 7y ago
    FWIW, the popping speakers are a software related issue, many users who updated to a recent version of Catalina have reported the issue has been fixed for them. Also, thermal throttling has not really been an issue with the new 16" MBP. It can sustain well over base clock for indefinite periods it seems while still staying under the power budget.
mseidl 7y ago
It's a workstation that is competitively priced with other workstations.
- duelingjello 7y ago
  tl;dr: No, that's obviously untrue. It's overpriced by $16k. Being generous, here's what it should retail for based on component costs: Xeon W-3157X CPU $3k (Intel's own number) Video Cards $11k 1.5 TiB (12x128) ECC DDR4 RAM $15k 4 GB SSD $1.5k Apple Accelerator $2k Base system $4k ---- $36.5k total $52.6k Apple price --> $16.1k zero-value Apple tax
  - drcongo 7y ago
    You forgot to add labour costs for assembly, shipping, taxes, profit margin, case and probably several other things. I think you just proved that it's pretty good value. Thanks, I might get one now.
  - mseidl 7y ago
    A similarly configured dell goes for around around 50k.
  - mseidl 7y ago
    https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktops-all-in-one-pcs/precision-7920-tower-workstation/spd/precision-7920-workstation/xctopt7920us_4?view=configurations&configurationid=4edd972b-e78c-4463-9731-abebe38b5f62 https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktops-all-in-one-pcs... 53k and no afterburner card.
lykr0n 7y ago
You can get HPE/Dell workstations that cost over 100k fully kitted out. When compared to Windows boxes, this is not unreasonable.
- duelingjello 7y ago
  Except this unit only has a single processor. 100k is for a quad Xeon server with redundant power supplies and on-site, same-day support. If you look in another comment of mine, the Pro costs over $16k too much when maxed out, it should be mid-$30k's if they were honest.
  - AstralStorm 7y ago
    Even better, if you don't take the scalper version of Xeon and go AMD... A faster Threadripper 3 goes for $2k not $15k. Workstation versions of Navi are likely to arrive soon, making these Pro versions of Radeon VII look somewh t silly. (W5700XT to be exact.) You can have a similar rack machine for $10k, (blade itself $6k) easier to expand too. The only reason to get this is if you're locked into OS X for process and really benefit from so many cores and GPUs. Which you likely won't. This is not useful for compute nor a server, and for actual video encoding you want the accelerator card (offered) not the GPUs nor probably beefy CPU, while 3D rendering is better done on non-Mac anyway. The big seller of Macs is still Photoshop and that does not make great use of this CPU, nor that much RAM.

by AmVess 7y ago

holstvoogd 7y ago

I think calling it a desktop pc is a bit of an understatement :P I have to say though, after buying a non-apple laptop recently, I feel at least macbooks are worth the extra 1k over what I paid just for build quality. I something with similar specs to my MBP for ~1600$ and it is just a piece of shitty plastic with a crappy trackpad & worse speakers than on a 90s phone. I'll gladly pay the premium to have apple harware I've learned hehe

mister_hn 7y ago
sure, then how do you explain the continuous drama made here on HN and on Reddit about the faulty Keyboard (for 3 years), the speakers that "pop" (fresh on MBP 16") and thermal throttling? 1K extra doesn't make the product "pro" or "premium", especially if you don't allow people to upgrade it after the Warranty is expired (RAM and Disk soldered, nice).
- duelingjello 7y ago
  See also: Numerous Louis Rossmann video rants about the smallest dust particles messing up butterfly keyboards. ;)
- Betelgeuse90 7y ago
  FWIW, the popping speakers are a software related issue, many users who updated to a recent version of Catalina have reported the issue has been fixed for them. Also, thermal throttling has not really been an issue with the new 16" MBP. It can sustain well over base clock for indefinite periods it seems while still staying under the power budget.

mseidl 7y ago

It's a workstation that is competitively priced with other workstations.

duelingjello 7y ago
tl;dr: No, that's obviously untrue. It's overpriced by $16k. Being generous, here's what it should retail for based on component costs: Xeon W-3157X CPU $3k (Intel's own number) Video Cards $11k 1.5 TiB (12x128) ECC DDR4 RAM $15k 4 GB SSD $1.5k Apple Accelerator $2k Base system $4k ---- $36.5k total $52.6k Apple price --> $16.1k zero-value Apple tax
- drcongo 7y ago
  You forgot to add labour costs for assembly, shipping, taxes, profit margin, case and probably several other things. I think you just proved that it's pretty good value. Thanks, I might get one now.
- mseidl 7y ago
  A similarly configured dell goes for around around 50k.
- mseidl 7y ago
  https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktops-all-in-one-pcs/precision-7920-tower-workstation/spd/precision-7920-workstation/xctopt7920us_4?view=configurations&configurationid=4edd972b-e78c-4463-9731-abebe38b5f62 https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktops-all-in-one-pcs... 53k and no afterburner card.

lykr0n 7y ago

You can get HPE/Dell workstations that cost over 100k fully kitted out. When compared to Windows boxes, this is not unreasonable.

duelingjello 7y ago
Except this unit only has a single processor. 100k is for a quad Xeon server with redundant power supplies and on-site, same-day support. If you look in another comment of mine, the Pro costs over $16k too much when maxed out, it should be mid-$30k's if they were honest.
- AstralStorm 7y ago
  Even better, if you don't take the scalper version of Xeon and go AMD... A faster Threadripper 3 goes for $2k not $15k. Workstation versions of Navi are likely to arrive soon, making these Pro versions of Radeon VII look somewh t silly. (W5700XT to be exact.) You can have a similar rack machine for $10k, (blade itself $6k) easier to expand too. The only reason to get this is if you're locked into OS X for process and really benefit from so many cores and GPUs. Which you likely won't. This is not useful for compute nor a server, and for actual video encoding you want the accelerator card (offered) not the GPUs nor probably beefy CPU, while 3D rendering is better done on non-Mac anyway. The big seller of Macs is still Photoshop and that does not make great use of this CPU, nor that much RAM.