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Israel ended up a lot safer, so it wasn't all bad.
by hd4 7y ago
Israel ended up a lot safer, so it wasn't all bad.
- nooron 7y agoHey, I don’t think anyone was invading Afghanistan on behalf of Israel, nor would anyone consider Afghanistan a significant security risk to Israel. This is a poor read of the situation
- pnako 7y agoAfghanistan is not a security risk to Israel; Iran is. Thus it's helpful to have aligned governments on both sides of Iran. There is virtually no benefit for Americans to be in Afghanistan.
- nooron 7y agoI hear your point. I agree we have been completely unsuccessful in Afghanistan. My point is that the commenter is naive in making this about Israel. American support for invading after 9/11 was foolish, but it was also extremely high. We did not invade or occupy to support Israeli security interests, we did it in support of our own and we were wrong.
- hd4 7y agoGood to see the satire detection capabilities of HN posters are alive and well :)
- deepgrave4 7y agoThe destruction of the middle east is an Israeli agenda. Thinking that the US government and its media apparatus gave us all the facts of 9/11 is a poor read of the situation. The official story is a farce. The entire explanation is absurd.
- nooron 7y agoI think there is strong contrary evidence for this claim. Please don’t think I’m shilling for Likud when I share it, I’m also very opposed to US foreign adventurism. Invading Iraq was broadly popular among Americans with strong interests in Israeli security, but it was broadly unpopular in Israel’s military establishment. The closest thing to the Israeli military establishment’s consensus view was that invading and occupying Iraq was a poor choice for their own security. Given that, I cannot see why they would agitate for it. I also cannot see how, since the US decision processes that lead to Iraq 2, which were farcical, are well documented and do not suggest that Israel agitated for the invasion and occupation. There are plenty of things to be mad at the Israeli government for. This is not one of them.
- pnako 7y agoI'm not sure. The strategy to contain Iran on both sides (Iraq and Afghanistan) has clearly failed. So no one really won in the end. Americans sacrificed trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, and the main beneficiary did not actually benefit that much.
- xenospn 7y agoFor $2T you could have picked up all of Israel and relocated it to Alaska.
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- adventured 7y agoNot even remotely close. They have a $400b economy, trillions in wealth, and are set to become one of the 10 or 15 most affluent nations in world history. Their GDP per capita has gone from $20k in 2005 to $43k today (roughly passing Britain) and will soon surpass Canada, Germany, France etc. on its way to $60k in the next dozen years. The development approach they've been running is working extremely well (combined with a small population). If we were speaking only in economic terms, you'd need $10+ trillion to do it. Now add on to that that the Israelis specifically want to be there for serious religious reasons and there is no way they're ever leaving willingly. Baja Mexico would be a more logical relocation btw, assuming Mexico would sell the territory for some very large price.
- flatiron 7y agonot for nothing i don't think the jews would be terribly receptive of all being rounded up and transported somewhere....
- faissaloo 7y agoBut I don't want israel to be safer.
- frockington1 7y agoWhy would you want anybody not to be safer?