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If you're quoting someone you should indicate that. If you're quoting Bryan MacDonald well I think you should validate it pretty carefully. And if you are Bryan

If you're quoting someone you should indicate that. If you're quoting Bryan MacDonald well I think you should validate it pretty carefully. And if you are Bryan MacDonald...well I'm not surprised how you turned out Bryan.

nopriorarrests 7y ago
Yes, I'am quoting Bryan MacDonald, sorry if it wasn't clear. And since I speak russian, I can attest that his tweet is factually correct.
- scandox 7y ago
  Well even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.
- kelvich 7y ago
  Well, there is a video where Zhukov tells that he doesn't agree with principle of collective responsibility advocated by _some_ feminists. Calling him anti-feminist after that is kind of big jump, isn't it?
  - nopriorarrests 7y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILuxlimdWoc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILuxlimdWoc this is a part of his interview called "there is no such thing as patriarchy". He says following things: -- Jordan Peterson is essentially correct in most of things he says. -- Current left wing is all about collective identity (such as "straight white man"), and there is no such thing as "collective identity". -- This is absolutely unacceptable for me, and I do not believe in patriarchy at all. Basically, he is your run of the mill right-winger with libertarian bent, nothing special about him, but his anti-feminist stance is pretty clear. I think that he and Ben Shapiro will find common ground in a minute.
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    - Supermancho 7y ago
      I'm not sure how you get "right winger" out of someone who doesn't believe in identity politics. I'm basically a socialist christian who voted for Trump (but will go Bernie next time), but I'm not into equality of outcome between social segments. Am I supposed to be right wing because I don't subscribe to liberal attempts at equality of outcome (between socially delineated groups)?
      - krastanov 7y ago
        I have never seen a mainstream liberal to push "equality of outcome" ideas. I have seen liberals push for detailed understanding of what leads to different outcomes and for "equality of opportunity". And I have seen only far right people bring up the notion of "equality of outcome", usually as a strawman as above. And yes, being against the government helping with upward social mobility (the only way I can rephrase what you described, but I sincerely hope you will correct me if I misunderstood) is certainly part of modern American right wing politics.
        Supermancho 7y ago
        > I have never seen a mainstream liberal to push "equality of outcome" ideas These are in the wording of initiatives across multiple US states with broad enough support to pass (eg California Senate Bill 826). The mainstream term is affirmative action; a proportional equality of outcome. If you havent seen mainstream liberal eoo, I can only assume that it is due to willful ignorance.
        krastanov 7y ago
        Modern "affirmative action" is not about "equality of outcome" - that would be a silly and unsustainable model. Most of the efforts in that direction are about "ensure there are women and PoC at the interview" and "blind the interview", not about hiring people based on gender or race without consideration of their abilities. To your particular example, see section 1.c and 1.g for research on the usefulness of their mandate. I personally feel that more research is necessary to understand these effects, I can even agree with someone saying that these efforts are a silly and unpractical bandaid. But instituting a rigid rule against measurable biases is not "equality of outcome", it is very much "equality of opportunity" (nobody would hire an incompetent woman as a board member if that is what worries you)
80386 7y ago
The BBC describes Zhukov as a "libertarian activist": https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50684676 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50684676

nopriorarrests 7y ago

Yes, I'am quoting Bryan MacDonald, sorry if it wasn't clear. And since I speak russian, I can attest that his tweet is factually correct.

scandox 7y ago
Well even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.
kelvich 7y ago
Well, there is a video where Zhukov tells that he doesn't agree with principle of collective responsibility advocated by _some_ feminists. Calling him anti-feminist after that is kind of big jump, isn't it?
- nopriorarrests 7y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILuxlimdWoc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILuxlimdWoc this is a part of his interview called "there is no such thing as patriarchy". He says following things: -- Jordan Peterson is essentially correct in most of things he says. -- Current left wing is all about collective identity (such as "straight white man"), and there is no such thing as "collective identity". -- This is absolutely unacceptable for me, and I do not believe in patriarchy at all. Basically, he is your run of the mill right-winger with libertarian bent, nothing special about him, but his anti-feminist stance is pretty clear. I think that he and Ben Shapiro will find common ground in a minute.
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  - Supermancho 7y ago
    I'm not sure how you get "right winger" out of someone who doesn't believe in identity politics. I'm basically a socialist christian who voted for Trump (but will go Bernie next time), but I'm not into equality of outcome between social segments. Am I supposed to be right wing because I don't subscribe to liberal attempts at equality of outcome (between socially delineated groups)?
    - krastanov 7y ago
      I have never seen a mainstream liberal to push "equality of outcome" ideas. I have seen liberals push for detailed understanding of what leads to different outcomes and for "equality of opportunity". And I have seen only far right people bring up the notion of "equality of outcome", usually as a strawman as above. And yes, being against the government helping with upward social mobility (the only way I can rephrase what you described, but I sincerely hope you will correct me if I misunderstood) is certainly part of modern American right wing politics.
      - Supermancho 7y ago
        > I have never seen a mainstream liberal to push "equality of outcome" ideas These are in the wording of initiatives across multiple US states with broad enough support to pass (eg California Senate Bill 826). The mainstream term is affirmative action; a proportional equality of outcome. If you havent seen mainstream liberal eoo, I can only assume that it is due to willful ignorance.
        krastanov 7y ago
        Modern "affirmative action" is not about "equality of outcome" - that would be a silly and unsustainable model. Most of the efforts in that direction are about "ensure there are women and PoC at the interview" and "blind the interview", not about hiring people based on gender or race without consideration of their abilities. To your particular example, see section 1.c and 1.g for research on the usefulness of their mandate. I personally feel that more research is necessary to understand these effects, I can even agree with someone saying that these efforts are a silly and unpractical bandaid. But instituting a rigid rule against measurable biases is not "equality of outcome", it is very much "equality of opportunity" (nobody would hire an incompetent woman as a board member if that is what worries you)

80386 7y ago

The BBC describes Zhukov as a "libertarian activist": https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50684676 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50684676