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I can't comment on Slavic false friends but I've found that for French-English, Spanish-English and French-Spanish, if you really force yourself into thinking t

I can't comment on Slavic false friends but I've found that for French-English, Spanish-English and French-Spanish, if you really force yourself into thinking the words in the correct accent, the "friendliness" disappears. As the two words are pronounced differently they are thought of as their own concepts, instead of related to each other. Say "Journey" vs "Journée", if pronounced correctly they don't sound anything similar at all. We should remember words as they are spoken with a strong accent. Maybe for false friends it would be even better to exaggerate the accent.

rerx 7y ago
But the English word "journey" has precisely the same roots as today's French "journée": A journey may have been a day's worth of traveling. A "journeyman" was paid day by day.
- jobigoud 7y ago
  Maybe that's a good mnemotechnic device at first, but it adds an indirection on top of a translation, which I think would be a bad habit to get from the start. I would argue that it's better to forget about the connexion the two words might have had in the past and embrace them as they are now. YMMV depending on your goals with learning the language.
  - umanwizard 7y ago
    But the point is, journey and journée are in fact etymological cognates, despite one having shifted semantically. The fact that they're pronounced differently is just a coincidence, and not related to the fact that they have different meanings.
    - jobigoud 7y ago
      I don't think it's a coincidence per se, the languages diverged a long time ago and drifted away both in pronunciation and meaning. My point is that false friends are blurring the border between the two languages in your brain, they are confusing because they make you think of something in the wrong language. A solution to reinforce the separation of languages in your brain is to only think about them in the context of their own language, as soon as possible.
      - rerx 7y ago
        But my knowledge of Italian really helps my understanding of French and Spanish, although all are foreign languages to me. False friends are an exception; but apart from knowing some language generally is an aid to learning another language if it is related.
kolmogorov 7y ago
That’s only true for some of these or some equivalence class . Take gift and gift for German - English or bekommen and become and many more .
lgessler 7y ago
By that method, every true friend would be predicted to be a false friend. Sounds aren't what's important here--divergent meaning shifts in cognates is.

rerx 7y ago

But the English word "journey" has precisely the same roots as today's French "journée": A journey may have been a day's worth of traveling. A "journeyman" was paid day by day.

jobigoud 7y ago
Maybe that's a good mnemotechnic device at first, but it adds an indirection on top of a translation, which I think would be a bad habit to get from the start. I would argue that it's better to forget about the connexion the two words might have had in the past and embrace them as they are now. YMMV depending on your goals with learning the language.
- umanwizard 7y ago
  But the point is, journey and journée are in fact etymological cognates, despite one having shifted semantically. The fact that they're pronounced differently is just a coincidence, and not related to the fact that they have different meanings.
  - jobigoud 7y ago
    I don't think it's a coincidence per se, the languages diverged a long time ago and drifted away both in pronunciation and meaning. My point is that false friends are blurring the border between the two languages in your brain, they are confusing because they make you think of something in the wrong language. A solution to reinforce the separation of languages in your brain is to only think about them in the context of their own language, as soon as possible.
    - rerx 7y ago
      But my knowledge of Italian really helps my understanding of French and Spanish, although all are foreign languages to me. False friends are an exception; but apart from knowing some language generally is an aid to learning another language if it is related.

kolmogorov 7y ago

That’s only true for some of these or some equivalence class . Take gift and gift for German - English or bekommen and become and many more .

lgessler 7y ago

By that method, every true friend would be predicted to be a false friend. Sounds aren't what's important here--divergent meaning shifts in cognates is.