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You can think of various ways to fast track justice for small crimes, similar to small claims court. You don't need a jury trial for an obvious bike theft. But

You can think of various ways to fast track justice for small crimes, similar to small claims court. You don't need a jury trial for an obvious bike theft. But you don't even need to get to this stage. If you have 99% conviction rate, people will just stop doing crime, starting with the ones for which crime was just a marginal thing anyway (maybe even for the adrenaline rush), and as a result you'll have even fewer crimes to prosecute. It's a positive feed-back loop. And you don't need to put people in prison. Something like China's social credit is coming everywhere. Steal a bike, you pay double for everything.

hamms 7y ago
> If you have 99% conviction rate, people will just stop doing crime Do you have any information to support this claim?
- hjkhtroeiupwq 7y ago
  > While a stolen bike probably isn't that valuable, what matters is that in most places, there's basically no chances that you will be caught. > And I'm not kidding about the absence of enforcement and low risk of stealing bikes. Here's a NYT journalist filming himself stealing his own bike in New York City to see how people who see him will react. You gotta see this to believe it. He even uses powertools and does it near cops. https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/underworld-economics-what-happens-stolen-bikes.html https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/underworld-economics-what-h...
heavyset_go 7y ago
> If you have 99% conviction rate, people will just stop doing crime You should take a look at DAs conviction rates sometime. Federal conviction rates are 99.8% in the US.
- larnmar 7y ago
  I’m not sure what the denominator is there, but it’s not all crimes committed.
  - heavyset_go 7y ago
    It's all criminal cases that went before a judge.
superkuh 7y ago
Japan's conviction rate is 99.9%. https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c05401/order-in-the-court-explaining-japan%E2%80%99s-99-9-conviction-rate.html https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c05401/order-in-the-c...
- jki275 7y ago
  That's because they only arrest guilty people.
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    Aka they always convict arrested people.
    - jki275 7y ago
      But of course.
mindfulhack 7y ago
You make a compelling case, and at first it's terrifying, but then I know we humans are always terrified of change no matter what it is (e.g. 'music is dead' at the arrival of recorded sound), and also I wonder if we overpraise the 'natural order' of human behaviour as opposed to future potential worlds. I am a freedom-fighter, yes, and I hate conformity, yes, but the current evolutionary survivalness of humans is also very ugly. (E.g. the selfish drive to steal a bike.) I don't have a solution, just thinking openly.

hamms 7y ago

> If you have 99% conviction rate, people will just stop doing crime Do you have any information to support this claim?

hjkhtroeiupwq 7y ago
> While a stolen bike probably isn't that valuable, what matters is that in most places, there's basically no chances that you will be caught. > And I'm not kidding about the absence of enforcement and low risk of stealing bikes. Here's a NYT journalist filming himself stealing his own bike in New York City to see how people who see him will react. You gotta see this to believe it. He even uses powertools and does it near cops. https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/underworld-economics-what-happens-stolen-bikes.html https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/underworld-economics-what-h...

heavyset_go 7y ago

> If you have 99% conviction rate, people will just stop doing crime You should take a look at DAs conviction rates sometime. Federal conviction rates are 99.8% in the US.

larnmar 7y ago
I’m not sure what the denominator is there, but it’s not all crimes committed.
- heavyset_go 7y ago
  It's all criminal cases that went before a judge.

superkuh 7y ago

Japan's conviction rate is 99.9%. https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c05401/order-in-the-court-explaining-japan%E2%80%99s-99-9-conviction-rate.html https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c05401/order-in-the-c...

jki275 7y ago
That's because they only arrest guilty people.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  Aka they always convict arrested people.
  - jki275 7y ago
    But of course.

mindfulhack 7y ago

You make a compelling case, and at first it's terrifying, but then I know we humans are always terrified of change no matter what it is (e.g. 'music is dead' at the arrival of recorded sound), and also I wonder if we overpraise the 'natural order' of human behaviour as opposed to future potential worlds. I am a freedom-fighter, yes, and I hate conformity, yes, but the current evolutionary survivalness of humans is also very ugly. (E.g. the selfish drive to steal a bike.) I don't have a solution, just thinking openly.