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But Safari still supports extensions, surely? I’m using it with extensions, there are not stories I can see about them removing support, and their Développement

But Safari still supports extensions, surely? I’m using it with extensions, there are not stories I can see about them removing support, and their Développement pages are still up.

tyingq 7y ago
Their apis only support declarative static blocking lists. No heuristics, right click to block, IAB ad size detection, etc. Similar to what chrome plans to do with manifest v3. Advertisers are already figuring out how to get around that. CNAME cloacking, proxying with same domain, etc.
- jakelazaroff 7y ago
  But on the other hand, it prevents malicious extensions from exfiltrating your browsing data.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - Karunamon 7y ago
    A powered off computer is completely unhackable. This idea of removing usability in the name of safety has gone way, way too far. It was crap when Mozilla did it, it's crap when Apple does it.
    - jakelazaroff 7y ago
      Privacy is half the point of an ad blocker. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to enforce privacy constraints on something that ostensibly protects your privacy.
      - tyingq 7y ago
        Given that both Safari and Chrome will continue to allow extensions to inject arbitrary JavaScript into any web page, I don't buy the privacy angle.
saagarjha 7y ago
Safari does still support extensions, but they operate differently now.
- vehemenz 7y ago
  True, but the extension ecosystem is poor now. 1. Extensions in the app store are not easily searchable. They aren't indexed/sorted on the store properly, and many only show up on Google. 2. Many of the good extensions are no longer available, e.g., UBO and KeePass, Vimium (there is a Vim extension, but it's a poor replacement so far). 3. The store promotes junkware and throwaway extensions.
S_A_P 7y ago
More specifically, they blocked extensions that work a certain way. The deal breaker for me was when uBlock origin was no longer able to run. I immediately switched to Firefox and Brave.
- FussyZeus 7y ago
  I have uBlock running on Safari...? Newest version. Or is uBlock not the same as uBlock origin?
  - scholia 7y ago
    No, uBlock is not the same as uBlock Origin. Quote: In July 2018, uBlock.org was acquired by AdBlock,[19] and began allowing "Acceptable Ads",[20] a program run by Adblock Plus that allows some ads which are deemed "acceptable", and the publisher pays Adblock Plus.[21] EndQuote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin
    - FussyZeus 7y ago
      Well, damnit. Thanks for the info.
  - MichaelConlon 7y ago
    They are not the same product[1]. uBlock was the original tool but was handed over to another maintainer some time ago. The original developer of uBlock, being unhappy with the direction of the tool, forked the repo and made uBlock Origin which he maintains and is often considered the better product by people here [1]https://ublock.org/faq/ https://ublock.org/faq/

But Safari still supports extensions, surely? I’m using it with extensions, there are not stories I can see about them removing support, and their Développement pages are still up.

tyingq 7y ago

Their apis only support declarative static blocking lists. No heuristics, right click to block, IAB ad size detection, etc. Similar to what chrome plans to do with manifest v3. Advertisers are already figuring out how to get around that. CNAME cloacking, proxying with same domain, etc.

jakelazaroff 7y ago
But on the other hand, it prevents malicious extensions from exfiltrating your browsing data.
- deleted 7y ago
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- Karunamon 7y ago
  A powered off computer is completely unhackable. This idea of removing usability in the name of safety has gone way, way too far. It was crap when Mozilla did it, it's crap when Apple does it.
  - jakelazaroff 7y ago
    Privacy is half the point of an ad blocker. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to enforce privacy constraints on something that ostensibly protects your privacy.
    - tyingq 7y ago
      Given that both Safari and Chrome will continue to allow extensions to inject arbitrary JavaScript into any web page, I don't buy the privacy angle.

saagarjha 7y ago

Safari does still support extensions, but they operate differently now.

vehemenz 7y ago
True, but the extension ecosystem is poor now. 1. Extensions in the app store are not easily searchable. They aren't indexed/sorted on the store properly, and many only show up on Google. 2. Many of the good extensions are no longer available, e.g., UBO and KeePass, Vimium (there is a Vim extension, but it's a poor replacement so far). 3. The store promotes junkware and throwaway extensions.

S_A_P 7y ago

More specifically, they blocked extensions that work a certain way. The deal breaker for me was when uBlock origin was no longer able to run. I immediately switched to Firefox and Brave.

FussyZeus 7y ago
I have uBlock running on Safari...? Newest version. Or is uBlock not the same as uBlock origin?
- scholia 7y ago
  No, uBlock is not the same as uBlock Origin. Quote: In July 2018, uBlock.org was acquired by AdBlock,[19] and began allowing "Acceptable Ads",[20] a program run by Adblock Plus that allows some ads which are deemed "acceptable", and the publisher pays Adblock Plus.[21] EndQuote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin
  - FussyZeus 7y ago
    Well, damnit. Thanks for the info.
- MichaelConlon 7y ago
  They are not the same product[1]. uBlock was the original tool but was handed over to another maintainer some time ago. The original developer of uBlock, being unhappy with the direction of the tool, forked the repo and made uBlock Origin which he maintains and is often considered the better product by people here [1]https://ublock.org/faq/ https://ublock.org/faq/