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I've heard from a Googler that yes, they want the workforce to match the outside world. With that in mind read https://diversity.google/annual-report/#!#_what-w

by inerte 7y ago

I've heard from a Googler that yes, they want the workforce to match the outside world. With that in mind read https://diversity.google/annual-report/#!#_what-would-it-take https://diversity.google/annual-report/#!#_what-would-it-tak... and "That’s why in 2019 we challenge ourselves and others to think differently so that we widen pathways to tech. Only then will we reflect our consumer base, and truly elevate our ability to build products for everyone." So Google wants to reflect the consumer base, so I guess we can take that to mean ~50% female devs?

supernova87a 7y ago
Most corporate statements of diversity goals I have ever seen take the simplistic position (in some form or another) that <x>, <y>, or <z> statistic "should mirror the representation of the general population." It seems to be an accepted truism that this equals unbiased selection and equity. It is very politically unacceptable to object to this intellectually lazy reasoning.
pksdjfikkkkdsff 7y ago
When I hear statements like that, I always wonder if they try to hire 2% pedophiles, too. About 2% of people in the real world are supposed to be pedophiles, so if they want to reflect the real world, they should aim to hire them.
- daseiner1 7y ago
  arguing in bad faith seems unnecessary when there's so much authentically wrong with their view
  - lopmotr 7y ago
    I don't see that as bad faith. Companies have weird diversity goals to do with physical features of their bodies and sexual preferences. Pedophiles are just part of that. They happen to be a marginalized group, but that's the thing about being marginalized, you get pushed to the margins and not advocated for by big companies and popular blogs. Perhaps if you went back to the days of women's liberation and somebody said "what next, gays?" they'd get dismissed too. That might be right, but it's possible they really saw it as a serious issue before its time.
    - hoseja 7y ago
      You're outside the current Overton window, quick, hide!
  - pksdjfikkkkdsff 7y ago
    It's not about bad faith, it is about showing the absurdity of aiming for representation of people by sexual preferences.
- dang 7y ago
  "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Udik 7y ago
> So Google wants to reflect the consumer base Which includes a good portion of extremists of all kinds, illiterates, drug dealers, etc. And of course, half of it is made of people with below average IQ. You want your company to employ the people that are best at the job, not a cross-section of the population along some randomly chosen axis.

by inerte 7y ago

supernova87a 7y ago

Most corporate statements of diversity goals I have ever seen take the simplistic position (in some form or another) that <x>, <y>, or <z> statistic "should mirror the representation of the general population." It seems to be an accepted truism that this equals unbiased selection and equity. It is very politically unacceptable to object to this intellectually lazy reasoning.

pksdjfikkkkdsff 7y ago

When I hear statements like that, I always wonder if they try to hire 2% pedophiles, too. About 2% of people in the real world are supposed to be pedophiles, so if they want to reflect the real world, they should aim to hire them.

daseiner1 7y ago
arguing in bad faith seems unnecessary when there's so much authentically wrong with their view
- lopmotr 7y ago
  I don't see that as bad faith. Companies have weird diversity goals to do with physical features of their bodies and sexual preferences. Pedophiles are just part of that. They happen to be a marginalized group, but that's the thing about being marginalized, you get pushed to the margins and not advocated for by big companies and popular blogs. Perhaps if you went back to the days of women's liberation and somebody said "what next, gays?" they'd get dismissed too. That might be right, but it's possible they really saw it as a serious issue before its time.
  - hoseja 7y ago
    You're outside the current Overton window, quick, hide!
- pksdjfikkkkdsff 7y ago
  It's not about bad faith, it is about showing the absurdity of aiming for representation of people by sexual preferences.
dang 7y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Udik 7y ago

> So Google wants to reflect the consumer base Which includes a good portion of extremists of all kinds, illiterates, drug dealers, etc. And of course, half of it is made of people with below average IQ. You want your company to employ the people that are best at the job, not a cross-section of the population along some randomly chosen axis.