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* Subsidized by the Chinese govt. and intellectual property stolen from western companies.
by layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
* Subsidized by the Chinese govt. and intellectual property stolen from western companies.
- periya 7y agoI’ve no dog in this race but I feel the selective outrage to Huawei and other chines tech companies hypocritical while America consumes more and more goods produced in China without batting an eye.
- deathanatos 7y agoCould someone actually vote with their wallet here and buy an American made — not assembled — phone? (I'm under the impression that the best case is that the parts are fabricated in China and assembled in the US, e.g., Apple phones.)
- onepointsixC 7y agoYou have it backward, the parts themselves are usually created in Fab's outside of China while they are assembled (most labor-intensive process) in China. The whole article is about how Huawei is extremely dependent on components outside of China but has shifted from mostly US chips to EU, Taiwanese, Japanese, and South Korean Chips.
- monocasa 7y agoThe article seems to say that they're mainly shifting to HiSilicon, their in house chip design wing.
- onepointsixC 7y agoUS market has been open, so when a Chinese state-owned entity dumps products American consumers buy said products as they only see a product at a cheaper price. How is that hypocritical? The only thing that has been hypocritical was the Chinese blocking of market access via tariffs and nontraditional market barriers in order to favor local entities while demanding market access to others.
- papito 7y agoThe problem also, is that tech companies in Russia and in China have no choice but to cooperate with the state and be part of espionage. This is not just about open and fair markets, yada yada. This is only "clean" in theory.
- onepointsixC 7y agoHuawei is special in that beyond even requiring to cooperate with the state, it has a corporate structure that is seen in State-Owned Entities and could be thought of as a CCP entity.
- monocasa 7y agoThat's true of the US too. Lavabit got shut down for not being willing to cooperate with the state and be a part of espionage.
- DoreenMichele 7y agoI know a few Natives on Twitter who say similar things about the US -- only talking about real property, not intellectual property -- and who would like their land back.
- bpodgursky 7y agoWhew, it's a good thing the Chinese have the moral high ground when it comes to taking land and subjugating the natives. Otherwise this whataboutism would fall really flat!
- dang 7y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into flamewar, regardless of how bad or wrong other comments are or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- simonsarris 7y agomoral relativism across space conjoined with moral absolutism across time is a silly combination
- DoreenMichele 7y agoI don't actually have any idea what you are saying.
- mixmastamyk 7y agoTranslation: comparing apples and oranges.
- dx87 7y agoThey're saying that your comment is irrelevant because you're comparing current issues between the USA and China with issues between the USA and Native Americans in a completely different time period. Today's morals aren't the same as they were hundreds of years ago, so it doesn't make sense to excuse current IP theft in China by pointing out historical theft of land by the USA.
- skybrian 7y agoMaybe that's true but I think we should assume they do their own R&D as well.