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You also pay for calves being torn from their mothers while the mother weeps for days. You pay for the calf to be slaughtered in the cheapest legal way, and oft

by z_open 7y ago

You also pay for calves being torn from their mothers while the mother weeps for days. You pay for the calf to be slaughtered in the cheapest legal way, and often not even that. You pay for the times the cow doesn't die immediately, but sits in agony haven't done nothing to deserve this. By the way, the agriculture industry loves that you believe those farms on the side of the road are where your meat comes from. Instead of the factories that actually produce the overwhelming majority of the meat in this country. You pay for them to be cramped up, tormented, and murdered.

codyb 7y ago
Yea, the factory farms are definitely pretty awful. I’m lucky enough to both cook at home, live in a big city with lots of good butchers, and have the resources to be able to afford to buy organic, pasture raised, and grass fed meats as much as possible. It’s not always possible to avoid factory farmed meat products, I assume anything I eat out unless the restaurant is very upscale is going to be cheaper cuts, and my parents aren’t rich and don’t buy like that although I’ll try sometimes to grab a turkey for Thanksgiving for instance. Interestingly, my girlfriend is from India and vegetarian as many Indian people I’ve met seem to be, she didn’t like the Impossible Burger at all, because it was too meat like, which is a bit funny to me. Lab grown meats are showing promise for the future which is neat. But yea, life is bloody, violent, and miserable a lot of times. We should be thankful to live in such relatively peaceful times. Seems like there were just millenia’s of near constant region conflicts, famines, plagues, epidemics, religious wars. It hasn’t all gone away, but maybe we’re closer than we’ve ever been?
nradov 7y ago
Do you get upset when a pack of wolves murders an elk? The elk seems to be suffering quite a bit of torment, and the killing process sometimes takes quite a while.
- z_open 7y ago
  The wolf has little choice. You do but choose pain for others for hedonistic reasons. The agriculture industry is outrageously more cruel than a pack of wolves killing an elk. My expectation is for people to choose the path of least suffering to the extent they have the ability. And to answer your question, I do get upset when I watch a pack of wolves kill an elk. Just because it happens doesn't mean I don't recognize and empathize with things in pain.

by z_open 7y ago

codyb 7y ago

Yea, the factory farms are definitely pretty awful. I’m lucky enough to both cook at home, live in a big city with lots of good butchers, and have the resources to be able to afford to buy organic, pasture raised, and grass fed meats as much as possible. It’s not always possible to avoid factory farmed meat products, I assume anything I eat out unless the restaurant is very upscale is going to be cheaper cuts, and my parents aren’t rich and don’t buy like that although I’ll try sometimes to grab a turkey for Thanksgiving for instance. Interestingly, my girlfriend is from India and vegetarian as many Indian people I’ve met seem to be, she didn’t like the Impossible Burger at all, because it was too meat like, which is a bit funny to me. Lab grown meats are showing promise for the future which is neat. But yea, life is bloody, violent, and miserable a lot of times. We should be thankful to live in such relatively peaceful times. Seems like there were just millenia’s of near constant region conflicts, famines, plagues, epidemics, religious wars. It hasn’t all gone away, but maybe we’re closer than we’ve ever been?

nradov 7y ago

Do you get upset when a pack of wolves murders an elk? The elk seems to be suffering quite a bit of torment, and the killing process sometimes takes quite a while.

z_open 7y ago
The wolf has little choice. You do but choose pain for others for hedonistic reasons. The agriculture industry is outrageously more cruel than a pack of wolves killing an elk. My expectation is for people to choose the path of least suffering to the extent they have the ability. And to answer your question, I do get upset when I watch a pack of wolves kill an elk. Just because it happens doesn't mean I don't recognize and empathize with things in pain.