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Facebook adds corrective label on user's post under new Singapore fake news law
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoDiscussion about Singapore making the request: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21661958 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21661958
- dang 7y agoAlso https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21626540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21626540
- thundergolfer 7y agoA clear example of how speech on Facebook has everything to do with power and money and nothing to do with the principled defending of speech because (as Zuck said) “The ability to speak freely has been central in the fight for democracy worldwide". Facebook might have actually had its hands tied here, but the point is that content on Facebook is subject to the influence of power and money, not the influence of principles. At least the notice is "X says Y is false" rather than "Y is false".
- sojmq 7y agoWhat exactly are Zuck's options in this situation? If anything this shows he's right: look at what happens when you have no freedom of speech.
- wavefunction 7y agoFreedom of speech has nothing to do with private platforms that are subject to market effects. Zuckerberg's claims that corporations can and will guarantee free expression is obviously not true.
- nrp 7y agoFreedom of speech as a legal concept certainly impacts platforms. Platforms can choose to enforce their own rules that are more restrictive than strictly what the law requires, and in doing so they are making market-based choices. However, they can’t choose a set of rules less restrictive than what is legally allowed in a jurisdiction and expect to still be able to do business for long. You could claim that’s a market decision too, but it’s one driven by laws around freedom of speech.
- nl 7y agoI believe this is the post: https://www.facebook.com/SingaporeHerald/posts/2400459390172238 https://www.facebook.com/SingaporeHerald/posts/2400459390172... For me it isn't showing any notice, but I'm not based in Singapore.
- sebastiangraef 7y agoNothing with my Singapore VPN location either.
- cow9 7y agoThis is what it looks like: https://imgur.com/a/yLD5sLn https://imgur.com/a/yLD5sLn
- KlayySOC 7y agoI'm in Singapore and I see it
- poilcn 7y agoSo, Singapore bureaucrats decide what is fake and what is the ultimate truth. What is facebook going to do after it bends to multiple state actors whose ultimate truth would contradict each other? Each country would have it's own corrective label like some western media do?
- alecco 7y agoUsually they care more about internal things than outside. See China.
- newbrict 7y agoOceania is at war with East Asia, it's always been at war with East Asia
- ub 7y agoIsn't this what Sacha Baron Cohen asked for in his speech? That there be state mandated rules on what's fake vs not. I don't think this issue has any good solutions - damned if you do, damned if you don't. The only 'okay' way to solve for this is to crowd-source a variety of opinions on the issue and show what else people are saying about it - not as the ultimate truth, but rather to broaden people's perspective on it that there are different ways to look at the same issue.
- dharma1 7y agoI've always wondered how Wikipedia has solved this... Isn't it essentially the same problem?
- enitihas 7y agoWikipedia just has far less active users than Facebook. As in, number of users actively creating content. The amount of content on Facebook is also orders of magnitude higher than Wikipedia. And the friction in creating content is also much lower on Facebook.
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- bureaucrat 7y agoSo Singapore has Ministry of Truth that decides what's fake or not? Hmmn, it's awfully familiar, I think I read about that in a book somewhere.
- thewhitetulip 7y agoThat's the book 1984 which has a ministry of truth and thought crimes.
- Anon1096 7y agobureaucrat was being facetious.
- yardie 7y agoYes, some states have determined that a platform that undermines facts also undermines trust and civility. Was that the only book you read? Any others like Mein Kampf, Elders of Zion?
- hiccuphippo 7y agoI wonder if the government of Singapore has created a Ministry of Truth to go on Facebook and mark posts as fake.
- Y-Bopinator 7y agoDoesn’t even show the original post. Stupid bullshit.
- timonoko 7y agoWhat is this secret channel governments use to reach Facebook? And why only some governments can do it? Germans have won dozens of court cases against Facebook, for example in election meddling, while in smaller countries there simply is no legal entity called "Facebook" you could sue in local courts. I just wish Germans would win one case in European Union election meddling, then we would have EU-wide legal precedence.
- dplgk 7y agoDoes Facebook have an office in Singapore? How is FB "legally required" to do something because of Singapore law?
- ylyn 7y agoYes. https://opencorpdata.com/sg/201004959C https://opencorpdata.com/sg/201004959C