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You know what an NTEN in partnership with a mega tech company (e.g. Google) should do? Buy a TLD that replaces .org and seamlessly transition (for free for 2 ye

You know what an NTEN in partnership with a mega tech company (e.g. Google) should do? Buy a TLD that replaces .org and seamlessly transition (for free for 2 years or so) every .org owner. It's not impossible to imagine a mass exodus from .org that the search engines, browsers, and DNS providers quickly respond to. And give ICANN the biggest sign of how this should never happen again.

Thorentis 7y ago
Agree. Not sure what the TLD could be though. .ngo is a bit too specific. .non (for non-profit) is a possible option.
- 2pointsomone 7y ago
  Both good ideas! I would have probably come up with .public or .world or something less representative of organization legal structures.
  - JuettnerDistrib 7y ago
    Isn't .www the obvious choice? ;)
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  Why do you need a special TLD for these organisations though? Having non-profit tax status tells me about zero about the organisation.
  - sdenton4 7y ago
    And .gov tells you nothing about a government organization, and .com tells you nothing about a commercial organization... Oh, wait.
    - chrisseaton 7y ago
      Right, so why worry about it?
- jedberg 7y ago
  Why does everyone think .orgs are all non-profits? My personal domain is .org and has been for 20+ years. I chose .org because .com and .net were taken. I don’t ever recall anything where anyone even mentioned non-profits in relation to my .org registration.
  - bradleyjg 7y ago
    I registered my personal domain in the summer of 1999. I vaguely remember that Network Solutions was the only option (you had to fax them) and for .org I would have needed to provide some additional justification. Maybe that changed after the monopoly was broken?
    - jghn 7y ago
      I registered my .org in 1999 via Network Solutions. I did not need to show any proof that I was a non-profit.
    - jedberg 7y ago
      I did mine in 1999 also. I definitely did not have any proof of anything in 1999.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    Com, org, gov, net, edu. Peasants like us were never meant to have their own domain names.
xenophonf 7y ago
What about individuals like me? I'm not a non-profit. I'm a hobbyist who's been using a .org domain for 25 years, very nearly my entire adult life. My entire digital identity is tied up in it. I have hundreds of accounts and email addresses and subscriptions that I'd have to change if my mail domains suddenly became unaffordable. This is madness.
- echelon 7y ago
  The dream of the Internet is dead. The web is being replaced with mobile apps and silos. It's going against the grain now to do things on your own.
  - erwan 7y ago
    When did the internet become HTTP:80 and HTTPS:443
    - swinglock 7y ago
      At least a decade ago.
    - cardiffspaceman 7y ago
      >When did the internet become HTTP:80 and HTTPS:443 When you no longer needed ports 20, 25, 70, 110, 119 or 143.
- 2pointsomone 7y ago
  Yes good point, that is why a TLD which recognizes you as a non-profit would not be a good idea. You would probably be just fine with .org regardless of whether a more apt TLD is going to be created.
  - oefrha 7y ago
    > why a TLD which recognizes you as a non-profit would not be a good idea. .org hasn't been restricted to non-profits since forever ago (even when it was the restriction wasn't enforced). It was, until very recently, a TLD supposedly run by a non-profit as part of the Internet infrastructure so that people would expect reasonable pricing, unlike others. > You would probably be just fine with .org Similar to gp I built my identity around an .org (though not as long). I certainly won't be fine if Ethos decides to jack the price of my domain to hundreds of dollars per year.
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Eric_WVGG 7y ago
Many .org’s like the ACLU are mired in politics and thus have enemies. Remember, not only could a new owner send e-mails posing as somedude@wellknown.org; even worse, they would be able to collect ^all^ the e-mail going to that domain. I don’t believe for a moment that the ACLU, or Planned Parenthood, or any org of that scale could transition in two or even ten years.
- yabadabadoes 7y ago
  If they have truly crazy plans for .org, one can drop a domain name and still block its assignment based on IP infringement.. The oddity here is that no matter what they do it makes no real difference to the kind of organization that regularly hires lawyers. I see this as more of an existential threat that every name connected with ICANN could end up in a free market pricing similar to rent.

Thorentis 7y ago

Agree. Not sure what the TLD could be though. .ngo is a bit too specific. .non (for non-profit) is a possible option.

2pointsomone 7y ago
Both good ideas! I would have probably come up with .public or .world or something less representative of organization legal structures.
- JuettnerDistrib 7y ago
  Isn't .www the obvious choice? ;)
chrisseaton 7y ago
Why do you need a special TLD for these organisations though? Having non-profit tax status tells me about zero about the organisation.
- sdenton4 7y ago
  And .gov tells you nothing about a government organization, and .com tells you nothing about a commercial organization... Oh, wait.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    Right, so why worry about it?
jedberg 7y ago
Why does everyone think .orgs are all non-profits? My personal domain is .org and has been for 20+ years. I chose .org because .com and .net were taken. I don’t ever recall anything where anyone even mentioned non-profits in relation to my .org registration.
- bradleyjg 7y ago
  I registered my personal domain in the summer of 1999. I vaguely remember that Network Solutions was the only option (you had to fax them) and for .org I would have needed to provide some additional justification. Maybe that changed after the monopoly was broken?
  - jghn 7y ago
    I registered my .org in 1999 via Network Solutions. I did not need to show any proof that I was a non-profit.
  - jedberg 7y ago
    I did mine in 1999 also. I definitely did not have any proof of anything in 1999.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  Com, org, gov, net, edu. Peasants like us were never meant to have their own domain names.

xenophonf 7y ago

What about individuals like me? I'm not a non-profit. I'm a hobbyist who's been using a .org domain for 25 years, very nearly my entire adult life. My entire digital identity is tied up in it. I have hundreds of accounts and email addresses and subscriptions that I'd have to change if my mail domains suddenly became unaffordable. This is madness.

echelon 7y ago
The dream of the Internet is dead. The web is being replaced with mobile apps and silos. It's going against the grain now to do things on your own.
- erwan 7y ago
  When did the internet become HTTP:80 and HTTPS:443
  - swinglock 7y ago
    At least a decade ago.
  - cardiffspaceman 7y ago
    >When did the internet become HTTP:80 and HTTPS:443 When you no longer needed ports 20, 25, 70, 110, 119 or 143.
2pointsomone 7y ago
Yes good point, that is why a TLD which recognizes you as a non-profit would not be a good idea. You would probably be just fine with .org regardless of whether a more apt TLD is going to be created.
- oefrha 7y ago
  > why a TLD which recognizes you as a non-profit would not be a good idea. .org hasn't been restricted to non-profits since forever ago (even when it was the restriction wasn't enforced). It was, until very recently, a TLD supposedly run by a non-profit as part of the Internet infrastructure so that people would expect reasonable pricing, unlike others. > You would probably be just fine with .org Similar to gp I built my identity around an .org (though not as long). I certainly won't be fine if Ethos decides to jack the price of my domain to hundreds of dollars per year.

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Eric_WVGG 7y ago

Many .org’s like the ACLU are mired in politics and thus have enemies. Remember, not only could a new owner send e-mails posing as somedude@wellknown.org; even worse, they would be able to collect ^all^ the e-mail going to that domain. I don’t believe for a moment that the ACLU, or Planned Parenthood, or any org of that scale could transition in two or even ten years.

yabadabadoes 7y ago
If they have truly crazy plans for .org, one can drop a domain name and still block its assignment based on IP infringement.. The oddity here is that no matter what they do it makes no real difference to the kind of organization that regularly hires lawyers. I see this as more of an existential threat that every name connected with ICANN could end up in a free market pricing similar to rent.