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Crypto reminds me so much of the dot-com boom in the late 1990s. Massive amounts of interest, amazing and potentially life-changing innovation, overrun with fra

Crypto reminds me so much of the dot-com boom in the late 1990s. Massive amounts of interest, amazing and potentially life-changing innovation, overrun with fraud they completely obliterates public confidence. I’m not a big crypto guy, but a lot of the problems of it seem to be baked in: the decentralization of it attracts a slew of Libertarian types who believe that if someone gets scammed, it’s their fault. There has to be what, thousands of coins? How many are legitimate operations? It sucks because the promise of the technology is held back so much by all of this fraud, and from what I see, people are so reticent to call it what it is because they’re financially tied to the sector. But there is really zero public confidence in this space - and even less in terms of realistic use cases for everyday people - that stories like this feel like another nail in the coffin.

Nuzzerino 7y ago
Even the legitimate operations are overrun with incompetence. The lack of accountability and easy fundraising is a recipe for charlatans who have no business running a business.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  Would love to see how much fundraising has covered fraud on the deposit side. I guess we need to see one go public to find out.
- hanniabu 7y ago
  You need to pay less attention to the ones that are running it like a business and more attention to the ones that operate as a decentralized organization building an open protocol.
  - Nuzzerino 7y ago
    Those projects tend to be fine until they get a marketing team, at which point they're a business no matter what they call themselves. I agree in principle though.
seibelj 7y ago
Blockchain provides the building blocks for a financial system that is independent of any legacy cruft - it's pure computation and math. Each feature added, such as stablecoins that always match $1 (google USDC), is another lego in the system that can be used by any other participant. Just as the dotcom boom crashed and wiped out many of the frauds, so too the crypto bust is removing a lot of the garbage from the industry. I'm very optimistic on the future, and you continue to see companies and governments engage with crypto because it's simply better, whether they want it to be or not. More efficient, less expensive, faster, less red tape. Many wish it would just disappear, but it doesn't because it continues to be useful, and spider out to ever more industries and use cases. It might take decade(s), but I work with individuals and companies that move tens of millions every day around the world without any bank interference. It's very clearly the future, the only question in my mind is how long it will take to overcome existing systems.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  "stablecoins that always match $1 (google USDC), is another lego in the system" That's not a building block coming out of crypto, it's the application of traditional finance to make it useful. And when you've solved all of the problems, the core technology ends up being pointless. But I'm convinced it will have an effect in the long run, because it will infect traditional banking and eventually in some unforseen way destabilize it. Just because it's so irrationally attractive.
  - seibelj 7y ago
    I can't make heads or tails of anything you wrote.
  - bitcoinbutter 7y ago
    Crypto is cash 2.0. It has many flaws, but it also does certain things cash can not. Some examples are high value transfers, long distance transfers, and easy accessibility across borders. You can go ahead and tell me this is only useful for criminals, but you'd be wrong.
- lightedman 7y ago
trashcan_ 7y ago
the dot com bubble at least had some good ideas and with it some of the foundation of what the internet would become. crypto has started with a set of ideals and promises but has been completely usurped by con men and bad ideas. you have to look really, really hard to find the good ideas.
CPLX 7y ago
This is a ridiculous comparison. I was around for the first dot com bubble as well and they aren’t similar at all. In the late 90’s all of a sudden you were able to do incredible things for the first time, like search for and buy plane tickets without a travel agent, send messages to friends instantly without long distance charges, research academic subjects, order out of print books, sell and buy collectibles, share music instantly with anyone in the country. It was obvious that the web was solving tons of problems for people and delivering value. It was obviously amazing. It was also over hyped and a magnet for fraudsters too. When the dust clears it’s going to be obvious that outside of the nifty and genuinely value-creating use case of e-commerce for illegal drugs, the entire crypto “industry” will have proven to be completely composed of either naive speculators or outright criminals, with the latter having completely consumed the former.

Nuzzerino 7y ago

Even the legitimate operations are overrun with incompetence. The lack of accountability and easy fundraising is a recipe for charlatans who have no business running a business.

Scoundreller 7y ago
Would love to see how much fundraising has covered fraud on the deposit side. I guess we need to see one go public to find out.
hanniabu 7y ago
You need to pay less attention to the ones that are running it like a business and more attention to the ones that operate as a decentralized organization building an open protocol.
- Nuzzerino 7y ago
  Those projects tend to be fine until they get a marketing team, at which point they're a business no matter what they call themselves. I agree in principle though.

seibelj 7y ago

Blockchain provides the building blocks for a financial system that is independent of any legacy cruft - it's pure computation and math. Each feature added, such as stablecoins that always match $1 (google USDC), is another lego in the system that can be used by any other participant. Just as the dotcom boom crashed and wiped out many of the frauds, so too the crypto bust is removing a lot of the garbage from the industry. I'm very optimistic on the future, and you continue to see companies and governments engage with crypto because it's simply better, whether they want it to be or not. More efficient, less expensive, faster, less red tape. Many wish it would just disappear, but it doesn't because it continues to be useful, and spider out to ever more industries and use cases. It might take decade(s), but I work with individuals and companies that move tens of millions every day around the world without any bank interference. It's very clearly the future, the only question in my mind is how long it will take to overcome existing systems.

perl4ever 7y ago
"stablecoins that always match $1 (google USDC), is another lego in the system" That's not a building block coming out of crypto, it's the application of traditional finance to make it useful. And when you've solved all of the problems, the core technology ends up being pointless. But I'm convinced it will have an effect in the long run, because it will infect traditional banking and eventually in some unforseen way destabilize it. Just because it's so irrationally attractive.
- seibelj 7y ago
  I can't make heads or tails of anything you wrote.
- bitcoinbutter 7y ago
  Crypto is cash 2.0. It has many flaws, but it also does certain things cash can not. Some examples are high value transfers, long distance transfers, and easy accessibility across borders. You can go ahead and tell me this is only useful for criminals, but you'd be wrong.
lightedman 7y ago

trashcan_ 7y ago

the dot com bubble at least had some good ideas and with it some of the foundation of what the internet would become. crypto has started with a set of ideals and promises but has been completely usurped by con men and bad ideas. you have to look really, really hard to find the good ideas.

CPLX 7y ago

This is a ridiculous comparison. I was around for the first dot com bubble as well and they aren’t similar at all. In the late 90’s all of a sudden you were able to do incredible things for the first time, like search for and buy plane tickets without a travel agent, send messages to friends instantly without long distance charges, research academic subjects, order out of print books, sell and buy collectibles, share music instantly with anyone in the country. It was obvious that the web was solving tons of problems for people and delivering value. It was obviously amazing. It was also over hyped and a magnet for fraudsters too. When the dust clears it’s going to be obvious that outside of the nifty and genuinely value-creating use case of e-commerce for illegal drugs, the entire crypto “industry” will have proven to be completely composed of either naive speculators or outright criminals, with the latter having completely consumed the former.