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How about you make a cheaper product without software bloat? I don't think a smartphone requires 3GB ram to work. Those smartphones are not high end, but they h

by jokoon 7y ago

How about you make a cheaper product without software bloat? I don't think a smartphone requires 3GB ram to work. Those smartphones are not high end, but they have incredible specs and yet I don't see any logic that justifies them. There should be a market for electronics that goes against planned obsolescence. Build a device that runs a good enough OS, with low specs, that doesn't require fast hardware, make it sturdy and last at least 3 years, and I would buy it. I refuse to spit more than $200 for any of those devices. People say "but I used it everyday, it is my main computer", well with all due respect you are addicted to your phone. The smartphone industry is bizarre. Of course you can accuse Apple and google ecosystems, but still.

davidgf 7y ago
You should check out the Pinephone then: https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
> I refuse to spit more than $200 for any of those devices. People say "but I used it everyday, it is my main computer", well with all due respect you are addicted to your phone. Well, that's an entirely arbitrary line in the sand you've drawn there. It's an entertainment platform. Am I addicted because I pay extra for a high quality TV, stereo, or gaming computer? What if it was spending extra money on a jigsaw for my woodworking hobby?
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  "Stop liking things I don't like!"
evolve2k 7y ago
Excuse my comment if I’m incorrect, but did you read the article? “How about you make a cheaper product without software bloat” To me this was very clearly answered with we broke new ground building the right system from the ground up and that was expensive. And we used our existing OS as the base and we’ve achieved true mobile <> PC converance. Give the article a full read and please consider editing this comment. The reason for the cost was literally what was covered in the article.
- jokoon 7y ago
  I doesn't warrant 3GB of ram, sorry.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
    But RAM is dirt cheap, so why not?
    - jokoon 7y ago
      3GB ram will greatly increase the size of the SOC, and ram increase power usage
ptx 7y ago
You need fairly powerful hardware to browse the web these days, which is an important use case. Non-smart phones in the old days had to use either WAP (a simplified version of XHTML) which you probably won't find much content available on today, or a thin client for a server-side browser (e.g. Opera Mini) which is not great for privacy/security.
zozbot234 7y ago
Phones generally run with zero swap space, due to concerns about endurance of the inbuilt eMMC storage. This applies to both Android and iOS, btw. Given that constraint, 3GB is not "high-end"; it's just about enough unless you want applications to OOM all the time.

by jokoon 7y ago

davidgf 7y ago

You should check out the Pinephone then: https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago

> I refuse to spit more than $200 for any of those devices. People say "but I used it everyday, it is my main computer", well with all due respect you are addicted to your phone. Well, that's an entirely arbitrary line in the sand you've drawn there. It's an entertainment platform. Am I addicted because I pay extra for a high quality TV, stereo, or gaming computer? What if it was spending extra money on a jigsaw for my woodworking hobby?

SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
"Stop liking things I don't like!"

evolve2k 7y ago

Excuse my comment if I’m incorrect, but did you read the article? “How about you make a cheaper product without software bloat” To me this was very clearly answered with we broke new ground building the right system from the ground up and that was expensive. And we used our existing OS as the base and we’ve achieved true mobile <> PC converance. Give the article a full read and please consider editing this comment. The reason for the cost was literally what was covered in the article.

jokoon 7y ago
I doesn't warrant 3GB of ram, sorry.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  But RAM is dirt cheap, so why not?
  - jokoon 7y ago
    3GB ram will greatly increase the size of the SOC, and ram increase power usage

ptx 7y ago

You need fairly powerful hardware to browse the web these days, which is an important use case. Non-smart phones in the old days had to use either WAP (a simplified version of XHTML) which you probably won't find much content available on today, or a thin client for a server-side browser (e.g. Opera Mini) which is not great for privacy/security.

zozbot234 7y ago

Phones generally run with zero swap space, due to concerns about endurance of the inbuilt eMMC storage. This applies to both Android and iOS, btw. Given that constraint, 3GB is not "high-end"; it's just about enough unless you want applications to OOM all the time.