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One thing I find encouraging is how many people (particularly young people) are now understanding the seriousness of the climate situation. I would really like

One thing I find encouraging is how many people (particularly young people) are now understanding the seriousness of the climate situation. I would really like to see a public pledge from companies, universities, etc that people who risk their education/career by pushing for real change will not be disadvantaged. If anyone is interested in helping to make this a reality, shoot me an email at together@highestsupport.com

IanDrake 7y ago
Young people are less on board than you think. They're just young and, frankly, haven't thought their proposition through. Once they realize they won't be shuffled back and forth to Europe on multi-million dollar yachts like their leader, they'll change their tune. In fact, once they realize most proposals require them to become serfs living in unheated hovels while the Lords live in mansions and fly private jets everywhere, they'll probably start to see through the ploy.
- perfunctory 7y ago
  > they'll change their tune Like this guy for example, right? [My hunger strike could be deadly. But I am willing to risk that for climate action] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/27/hunger-strike-climate-action-extinction-rebellion https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/27/hunger...
  - xienze 7y ago
    Yeah get back to us when he’s actually dead, which he won’t be.
    - torstenvl 7y ago
      I'm sorry, but is your argument really that this issue is "n[o]t thought ... through" unless people actually starve themselves over it? That it's all a "ploy" unless this guy actually dies for his cause? I can't quite tell if you're engaging in a non sequitur or moving the goalposts, but your comment doesn't make sense to me in context.
      - xienze 7y ago
        > That it's all a "ploy" unless this guy actually dies for his cause? Correct, because anyone can say they’re on a hunger strike but it’s not possible to watch the guy 24/7 to see if he’s really following through.
  - IanDrake 7y ago
    This guy needs a psychologist. He's willing to die over data models that have been predicting dire consequences in ten years, but they've been doing that for the last 30 years. It's sad to think what that kind of commitment could have produced if it was directed at real problems.
    - imtringued 7y ago
      It would be equally ineffective because there is no interest in solving problems.
- imtringued 7y ago
  What ploy? Serfs in unheated hovels can't build private jets.
vixen99 7y ago
Getting it into perspective, emissions of CO2 in the UK are now at a level last seen in 1890 and that contribution to world CO2 is around 1% with US at 16% with a bit more than half that from Europe. https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-carbon-emissions-in-2017-fell-to-levels-last-seen-in-1890 https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-carbon-emissions-in-... https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2- https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2- Meanwhile it's widely understood that all major fossil fuel-producing nations—including the United States, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, Canada, and Australia—have ambitious plans to increase production. It's understanding on the part of the odd 70% that counts and good luck with that. Lectures from the West don't go down very well especially since most of these countries are committed to increasing their standard of living and that's necessarily linked to energy use.
- ptah 7y ago
  the UK has outsourced its CO2 emissions
- BLKNSLVR 7y ago
  This is how seriously Australian politicians take climate change: https://reneweconomy.com.au/barnaby-joyce-auctions-lump-of-coal-in-a-glass-jar-at-nationals-dinner-19807/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/barnaby-joyce-auctions-lump-of-c...

IanDrake 7y ago

Young people are less on board than you think. They're just young and, frankly, haven't thought their proposition through. Once they realize they won't be shuffled back and forth to Europe on multi-million dollar yachts like their leader, they'll change their tune. In fact, once they realize most proposals require them to become serfs living in unheated hovels while the Lords live in mansions and fly private jets everywhere, they'll probably start to see through the ploy.

perfunctory 7y ago
> they'll change their tune Like this guy for example, right? [My hunger strike could be deadly. But I am willing to risk that for climate action] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/27/hunger-strike-climate-action-extinction-rebellion https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/27/hunger...
- xienze 7y ago
  Yeah get back to us when he’s actually dead, which he won’t be.
  - torstenvl 7y ago
    I'm sorry, but is your argument really that this issue is "n[o]t thought ... through" unless people actually starve themselves over it? That it's all a "ploy" unless this guy actually dies for his cause? I can't quite tell if you're engaging in a non sequitur or moving the goalposts, but your comment doesn't make sense to me in context.
    - xienze 7y ago
      > That it's all a "ploy" unless this guy actually dies for his cause? Correct, because anyone can say they’re on a hunger strike but it’s not possible to watch the guy 24/7 to see if he’s really following through.
- IanDrake 7y ago
  This guy needs a psychologist. He's willing to die over data models that have been predicting dire consequences in ten years, but they've been doing that for the last 30 years. It's sad to think what that kind of commitment could have produced if it was directed at real problems.
  - imtringued 7y ago
    It would be equally ineffective because there is no interest in solving problems.
imtringued 7y ago
What ploy? Serfs in unheated hovels can't build private jets.

vixen99 7y ago

Getting it into perspective, emissions of CO2 in the UK are now at a level last seen in 1890 and that contribution to world CO2 is around 1% with US at 16% with a bit more than half that from Europe. https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-carbon-emissions-in-2017-fell-to-levels-last-seen-in-1890 https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-carbon-emissions-in-... https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2- https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2- Meanwhile it's widely understood that all major fossil fuel-producing nations—including the United States, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, Canada, and Australia—have ambitious plans to increase production. It's understanding on the part of the odd 70% that counts and good luck with that. Lectures from the West don't go down very well especially since most of these countries are committed to increasing their standard of living and that's necessarily linked to energy use.

ptah 7y ago
the UK has outsourced its CO2 emissions
BLKNSLVR 7y ago
This is how seriously Australian politicians take climate change: https://reneweconomy.com.au/barnaby-joyce-auctions-lump-of-coal-in-a-glass-jar-at-nationals-dinner-19807/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/barnaby-joyce-auctions-lump-of-c...