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We have seen that doctors said & agreed that fats are bad and that cigarettes are good. So to dismiss any reasearch which shows that our effect on the climante

We have seen that doctors said & agreed that fats are bad and that cigarettes are good. So to dismiss any reasearch which shows that our effect on the climante is lesser than we thing is equally stupid. There is a difference between protecting the planet and blindly following anything that climate "scientists" say. Even in natural sciences 50% of articles is wrong due to statistics being hard and humans being humans. Climate activism has been politized: and once that happens all objectivity goes out of the window. In germany a group of scientists who wanted to present that research that goes against the "climate destruction" agenda were threatened by local antifa-like thugs and the police did nothing to protect them. Modern climate activism is the same as book burning where the book burning now means "destroy anything that shows us the opposite". Thus it is not objective anymore and thus we cannot really trust anything that comes from it. If your reasearch $$$ depends on you to keep showing that humans are destroying the climate then in one way or the other you will find the reason, no matter how far-fetched it might be: humans want money and a good life.

KirinDave 7y ago
> We have seen that doctors said & agreed that fats are bad and that cigarettes are good... So to dismiss any reasearch which shows that our effect on the climante is lesser than we thing is equally stupid. Sure, science is an iterative process and it can make mistakes. But is that what happened here? Folks pointed out that the claim itself is odd since methane breaks down into CO2 which is yet another greenhouse gas, and the paper seems to ignore that. Furthermore, they pointed out he's not actually speaking to his specialty, so extra skepticism is reasonable. > Climate activism has been politized: and once that happens all objectivity goes out of the window. Aren't you guilty of doing exactly that in this post?
pelasaco 7y ago
I can just confirm it. At least in Germany, it's impossible to do research in this Area without being politically inline with the Left agenda. Climate or Gender studies.. impossible to have a non-biased research being published.
jbsimpson 7y ago
> If your reasearch $$$ depends on you to keep showing that humans are destroying the climate Except if you cared about money, it is far easier to sell out and take the money from the industry groups who want to fund research to throw the science into doubt.
- Tycho 7y ago
  Do you have figures on the size of government funding for climate research relative to the size of private funding for climate research?
  - big_chungus 7y ago
    Federal spending is just shy of twelve billion as of 2014 plus an additional twenty-six billion [0] ,and has likely increased since then. Private funding is harder to measure. I also think there's a case to be made that many people are "integrating backwards", looking for a specific answer and finding the research to justify that. This always happens when an issue is politicized, and this issue is undoubtedly politicized. [0] https://www.gao.gov/key_issues/climate_change_funding_management/issue_summary https://www.gao.gov/key_issues/climate_change_funding_manage...
    - akhilcacharya 7y ago
      Meanwhile in the oil & gas drilling and exploration sector: > According to market research by IBISWorld, a leading business intelligence firm, the total revenues for the oil and gas drilling sector came to $2 trillion in 2017. [0] https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/030915/what-percentage-global-economy-comprised-oil-gas-drilling-sector.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/030915/what-percent...
      - topologistics 7y ago
        >total revenues for the oil and gas drilling sector came to $2 trillion in 2017. And all that money was immediately given to dirty evil fake scientists, right?
jonnypotty 7y ago
In a world where everyone seems to think solutions to problems are always about manipulating the way people think and feel it's very hard to trust mainstream discourse.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  > In a world where everyone seems to think solutions to problems are always about... "everyone"? "always"? Your generalisations may be doing as much harm as anyone you're criticising.
Angostura 7y ago
We have seen that scientists use to say that the Sun circled the Earth, therefore to dismiss any research that shows that stabbing yourself with a fork is painful is equally stupid.
- pelasaco 7y ago
  today it would offend people.
imtringued 7y ago
Governments (e.g. taxes on fuel) and oil companies have a financial incentive to promote fossil fuels so if they were funding research you would expect a bias against anthropogenic climate change. Can you resolve this contradiction?
- ghostwriter 7y ago
  The possible gain (both in money and in regulatory powers) from imposing the carbon footprint tax on corporations and individuals dwarfs any existing fuel taxes. It's not about climate, it's about further control of the populace's private affairs.

KirinDave 7y ago

> We have seen that doctors said & agreed that fats are bad and that cigarettes are good... So to dismiss any reasearch which shows that our effect on the climante is lesser than we thing is equally stupid. Sure, science is an iterative process and it can make mistakes. But is that what happened here? Folks pointed out that the claim itself is odd since methane breaks down into CO2 which is yet another greenhouse gas, and the paper seems to ignore that. Furthermore, they pointed out he's not actually speaking to his specialty, so extra skepticism is reasonable. > Climate activism has been politized: and once that happens all objectivity goes out of the window. Aren't you guilty of doing exactly that in this post?

pelasaco 7y ago

I can just confirm it. At least in Germany, it's impossible to do research in this Area without being politically inline with the Left agenda. Climate or Gender studies.. impossible to have a non-biased research being published.

jbsimpson 7y ago

> If your reasearch $$$ depends on you to keep showing that humans are destroying the climate Except if you cared about money, it is far easier to sell out and take the money from the industry groups who want to fund research to throw the science into doubt.

Tycho 7y ago
Do you have figures on the size of government funding for climate research relative to the size of private funding for climate research?
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Federal spending is just shy of twelve billion as of 2014 plus an additional twenty-six billion [0] ,and has likely increased since then. Private funding is harder to measure. I also think there's a case to be made that many people are "integrating backwards", looking for a specific answer and finding the research to justify that. This always happens when an issue is politicized, and this issue is undoubtedly politicized. [0] https://www.gao.gov/key_issues/climate_change_funding_management/issue_summary https://www.gao.gov/key_issues/climate_change_funding_manage...
  - akhilcacharya 7y ago
    Meanwhile in the oil & gas drilling and exploration sector: > According to market research by IBISWorld, a leading business intelligence firm, the total revenues for the oil and gas drilling sector came to $2 trillion in 2017. [0] https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/030915/what-percentage-global-economy-comprised-oil-gas-drilling-sector.asp https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/030915/what-percent...
    - topologistics 7y ago
      >total revenues for the oil and gas drilling sector came to $2 trillion in 2017. And all that money was immediately given to dirty evil fake scientists, right?

jonnypotty 7y ago

In a world where everyone seems to think solutions to problems are always about manipulating the way people think and feel it's very hard to trust mainstream discourse.

tempguy9999 7y ago
> In a world where everyone seems to think solutions to problems are always about... "everyone"? "always"? Your generalisations may be doing as much harm as anyone you're criticising.

Angostura 7y ago

We have seen that scientists use to say that the Sun circled the Earth, therefore to dismiss any research that shows that stabbing yourself with a fork is painful is equally stupid.

pelasaco 7y ago
today it would offend people.

imtringued 7y ago

Governments (e.g. taxes on fuel) and oil companies have a financial incentive to promote fossil fuels so if they were funding research you would expect a bias against anthropogenic climate change. Can you resolve this contradiction?

ghostwriter 7y ago
The possible gain (both in money and in regulatory powers) from imposing the carbon footprint tax on corporations and individuals dwarfs any existing fuel taxes. It's not about climate, it's about further control of the populace's private affairs.