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It's not just the parent poster, it's many people. The fatigue is real. If we have solutions today that meet all business needs, why do we new frameworks? Good

It's not just the parent poster, it's many people. The fatigue is real. If we have solutions today that meet all business needs, why do we new frameworks? Good ideas should stand the test of time. I don't think we've got a real discernible reason for why React or Vue are becoming stale or too rigid.

moron4hire 7y ago
Repeating a meme over and over again doesn't make it true, it just makes you a robot. You choose to look at things like this and feel fatigue. Nobody forced to to look at it. Nobody told you "that's it, start retaining now". You have a fundamental fear of missing out that, instead of addressing the fear and feeling secure in your own choices, you feel necessary to externalize as criticism towards people exercising their own free will. React existing or not existing or being old or not being old is not a reason for others to not do the work they want to do.
- tomtheelder 7y ago
  I think you've got this a bit backwards. It's not that people _feel_ that they need to retain information on every shiny new thing, it's that they _have actually had_ to retain information on an overwhelming number of new shiny things for professional reasons. As a consequence, there is a tiredness and skepticism about new things. It's not that people feel that it's necessary to retain, it's that people enjoy learning about new options, but find that their lived experience has given them a resistance to that which they might otherwise enjoy. They approach new things with interest, but end up frustrated to find more of the same. Also you can't just tell people to not feel things! That's not how emotions work!
  - moron4hire 7y ago
    > it's that they _have actually had_ to retain information on an overwhelming number of new shiny things for professional reasons. No, they have not. Not any more than the rest of us. Not any more than any other profession. I really think this whole thing is borne out of Code Camp graduates coming into the job market thinking all they needed was whatever minuscule collection of shell scripting incantations they learned in the Code Camp to get a "Zomg 6-figure++ salary". And if that is all the training you've had, I can easily see how it will feel like it is inadequate (because it is). But the answer is not "keep feeding the inadequate way of learning". And it's certainly not replying to someone's thread in which they present their hard work with "uuuuugh, woe is meeee".
    - zapzupnz 7y ago
      > No, they have not. Here's an idea: listen to how people feel rather than tell them how they feel. If people have felt the need to do something and so have done, that's as good as saying they needed to — if sufficiently done en masse. Whether that attitude was justified in the first place doesn't negate the fatigue they may now feel — a feeling they're more than entitled to, even with you saying they're not.

moron4hire 7y ago

Repeating a meme over and over again doesn't make it true, it just makes you a robot. You choose to look at things like this and feel fatigue. Nobody forced to to look at it. Nobody told you "that's it, start retaining now". You have a fundamental fear of missing out that, instead of addressing the fear and feeling secure in your own choices, you feel necessary to externalize as criticism towards people exercising their own free will. React existing or not existing or being old or not being old is not a reason for others to not do the work they want to do.

tomtheelder 7y ago
I think you've got this a bit backwards. It's not that people _feel_ that they need to retain information on every shiny new thing, it's that they _have actually had_ to retain information on an overwhelming number of new shiny things for professional reasons. As a consequence, there is a tiredness and skepticism about new things. It's not that people feel that it's necessary to retain, it's that people enjoy learning about new options, but find that their lived experience has given them a resistance to that which they might otherwise enjoy. They approach new things with interest, but end up frustrated to find more of the same. Also you can't just tell people to not feel things! That's not how emotions work!
- moron4hire 7y ago
  > it's that they _have actually had_ to retain information on an overwhelming number of new shiny things for professional reasons. No, they have not. Not any more than the rest of us. Not any more than any other profession. I really think this whole thing is borne out of Code Camp graduates coming into the job market thinking all they needed was whatever minuscule collection of shell scripting incantations they learned in the Code Camp to get a "Zomg 6-figure++ salary". And if that is all the training you've had, I can easily see how it will feel like it is inadequate (because it is). But the answer is not "keep feeding the inadequate way of learning". And it's certainly not replying to someone's thread in which they present their hard work with "uuuuugh, woe is meeee".
  - zapzupnz 7y ago
    > No, they have not. Here's an idea: listen to how people feel rather than tell them how they feel. If people have felt the need to do something and so have done, that's as good as saying they needed to — if sufficiently done en masse. Whether that attitude was justified in the first place doesn't negate the fatigue they may now feel — a feeling they're more than entitled to, even with you saying they're not.