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"Mobile last" is actually a strong feature. Screw working on your tiny phone; make the desktop the target environment.

by icelancer 7y ago

Bootwizard 7y ago
I can't tell if this is sarcasm...is it?
- duncan-donuts 7y ago
  Probably not... there’s plenty of things that don’t really need to be mobile first.
- kome 7y ago
  i can answer for myself: it's really not sarcasm. In my personal experience, Phones suck at everything, really. Phones are just for consumers and commuters, workers need desktops.
- zbentley 7y ago
  I hope not. I see far too many business applications that waste I can't imagine how many person-hours on terrible mobile apps/sites. In some segments, the people who want to use your app on mobile just aren't the people that your business can add value to (not because of their choice of device, but because of what their choice of device indicates about how they plan to use and value your product). Don't spend your time ticking boxes of competitors' features. Specialize.
- icelancer 7y ago
  It isn't. We don't code on an iPhone or tiny screen. Heavy lifting is done on a full sized screen. Make applications that actually work on them first and foremost.
- IggleSniggle 7y ago
  I hope not! Funny thing. When I find myself needing to use JIRA or GitLab or whatever on the go and mobile is my only option, I end up requesting the desktop version on my phone anyway...because the mobile app doesn't do what I need it to do, or if it does it hides the functionality so I never find it. My experience is that for productivity software that lives in a browser, there's absolutely no point in a mobile version. Just serve up the desktop version and make sure the user can zoom in on the portion they need to interact with, and perform all actions necessary with clicks.
- deleted 7y ago
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saagarjha 7y ago
Not just desktop, desktop via an Electron app!
wruza 7y ago
Mobile is actually highly demanded today. Our “friend” company (one owing a lot of contract-locked money to ours) just drowns in complex reports and tries to move everything on iphone, like round pie charts, bar graphs, etc. Their business is too complex to manage on a desktop screen. Right now it requires one of our directors to be present at theirs office full-time, resolving all contract conflicts and accounting errors, but once charts will be done (by me apparently), it will be much easier for them to control the flow of the money and other shit to take profit. Single data point, but sure it’s frequent. Businesses need a breath of fresh air or something like that, you know. Old methods don’t work.
- taurath 7y ago
  Wait, so it’s too complex to manage on a desktop, so it needs to be on a smaller screen? I don’t understand - why?
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > it’s too complex to manage on a desktop, so it needs to be on a smaller screen It’s burdensomely complex on desktop. It’s impossibly complex on mobile. But mobile productivity is irresistible, so the troublesome processes get reworked and refined.
  - marcosdumay 7y ago
    More cynicism is required before reading the GP.
- irjustin 7y ago
  I want to believe this is satire... but i can't tell.... bravo
  - wruza 7y ago
    Best satire is reality sometimes. I tried hard here, but many people do not see a problem (both itt* and irl). Old-fashioned business is really over. * /s-like is not easy to feel in text, I know, but it is not there because the story is real and expressed as it is. That seems ubiquitous, as I hear more and more demand. Also, this entire subthread may be > 80% real-life satire, can’t tell for sure.
Richard_East 7y ago
I agree - but there's no native Windows app. I don't want to have to shift through a dozen tabs in Chrome to find one for Fibery, I want to just click an icon on my desktop. I also want Desktop-specific features like Right-click.
- 6510 7y ago
  I know a neat trick. Install a different browser and use it for just that. Pick the extensions and bookmarks, configure the home page then enjoy having nothing else inthere.
  - dkarl 7y ago
    You know... I know a guy who has several different Google Chromes installed on his Mac. Google Chrome, Google Chrome (2), Google Chrome (3), etc. (He has an intellectual disability. This kind of thing happens.) I guess you could have as many as you wanted and name them anything you wanted, right? It's like taking your favorite web apps and Electron-izing them.
    - ronbarr 7y ago
      Check out this: https://github.com/dmarmor/epichrome https://github.com/dmarmor/epichrome It does exactly what you are talking about but with only one copy of Chrome.
symmitchry 7y ago
I worked for a company who had "Mobile First!" in their top 4 or 5 "product statements". We had two mobile devs. Both employed for < 6 months, one of which was basically fresh out of university.
sfifs 7y ago
OTOH - I never lug laptops around if I can avoid it - even for work meetings nowadays with things like Dex or USB C video cables, you can just project from the phone. Also since I can get to my emails, messenger, conferencing software and files from cloud storage on my mobile, I can say leave to attend my child's school performance in middle of the workday and still get work done during the commute (public transport or cab/ride-sharing) or run some necessary errand or make a presentation on my way to a meeting. Sophisticated apps becoming available on mobile has freed me from having to be chained to my workdesk, find more time for my personal life or risk bad posture by working with a laptop on my lap during commute etc. Lots of companies in this business make reasonably easy to use mobile interfaces - so if some company like this chooses not to support mobile, it's a non-starter for me.

"Mobile last" is actually a strong feature. Screw working on your tiny phone; make the desktop the target environment.

Bootwizard 7y ago

I can't tell if this is sarcasm...is it?

duncan-donuts 7y ago
Probably not... there’s plenty of things that don’t really need to be mobile first.
kome 7y ago
i can answer for myself: it's really not sarcasm. In my personal experience, Phones suck at everything, really. Phones are just for consumers and commuters, workers need desktops.
zbentley 7y ago
I hope not. I see far too many business applications that waste I can't imagine how many person-hours on terrible mobile apps/sites. In some segments, the people who want to use your app on mobile just aren't the people that your business can add value to (not because of their choice of device, but because of what their choice of device indicates about how they plan to use and value your product). Don't spend your time ticking boxes of competitors' features. Specialize.
icelancer 7y ago
It isn't. We don't code on an iPhone or tiny screen. Heavy lifting is done on a full sized screen. Make applications that actually work on them first and foremost.
IggleSniggle 7y ago
I hope not! Funny thing. When I find myself needing to use JIRA or GitLab or whatever on the go and mobile is my only option, I end up requesting the desktop version on my phone anyway...because the mobile app doesn't do what I need it to do, or if it does it hides the functionality so I never find it. My experience is that for productivity software that lives in a browser, there's absolutely no point in a mobile version. Just serve up the desktop version and make sure the user can zoom in on the portion they need to interact with, and perform all actions necessary with clicks.
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saagarjha 7y ago

Not just desktop, desktop via an Electron app!

wruza 7y ago

Mobile is actually highly demanded today. Our “friend” company (one owing a lot of contract-locked money to ours) just drowns in complex reports and tries to move everything on iphone, like round pie charts, bar graphs, etc. Their business is too complex to manage on a desktop screen. Right now it requires one of our directors to be present at theirs office full-time, resolving all contract conflicts and accounting errors, but once charts will be done (by me apparently), it will be much easier for them to control the flow of the money and other shit to take profit. Single data point, but sure it’s frequent. Businesses need a breath of fresh air or something like that, you know. Old methods don’t work.

taurath 7y ago
Wait, so it’s too complex to manage on a desktop, so it needs to be on a smaller screen? I don’t understand - why?
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > it’s too complex to manage on a desktop, so it needs to be on a smaller screen It’s burdensomely complex on desktop. It’s impossibly complex on mobile. But mobile productivity is irresistible, so the troublesome processes get reworked and refined.
- marcosdumay 7y ago
  More cynicism is required before reading the GP.
irjustin 7y ago
I want to believe this is satire... but i can't tell.... bravo
- wruza 7y ago
  Best satire is reality sometimes. I tried hard here, but many people do not see a problem (both itt* and irl). Old-fashioned business is really over. * /s-like is not easy to feel in text, I know, but it is not there because the story is real and expressed as it is. That seems ubiquitous, as I hear more and more demand. Also, this entire subthread may be > 80% real-life satire, can’t tell for sure.

Richard_East 7y ago

I agree - but there's no native Windows app. I don't want to have to shift through a dozen tabs in Chrome to find one for Fibery, I want to just click an icon on my desktop. I also want Desktop-specific features like Right-click.

6510 7y ago
I know a neat trick. Install a different browser and use it for just that. Pick the extensions and bookmarks, configure the home page then enjoy having nothing else inthere.
- dkarl 7y ago
  You know... I know a guy who has several different Google Chromes installed on his Mac. Google Chrome, Google Chrome (2), Google Chrome (3), etc. (He has an intellectual disability. This kind of thing happens.) I guess you could have as many as you wanted and name them anything you wanted, right? It's like taking your favorite web apps and Electron-izing them.
  - ronbarr 7y ago
    Check out this: https://github.com/dmarmor/epichrome https://github.com/dmarmor/epichrome It does exactly what you are talking about but with only one copy of Chrome.

symmitchry 7y ago

I worked for a company who had "Mobile First!" in their top 4 or 5 "product statements". We had two mobile devs. Both employed for < 6 months, one of which was basically fresh out of university.

sfifs 7y ago

OTOH - I never lug laptops around if I can avoid it - even for work meetings nowadays with things like Dex or USB C video cables, you can just project from the phone. Also since I can get to my emails, messenger, conferencing software and files from cloud storage on my mobile, I can say leave to attend my child's school performance in middle of the workday and still get work done during the commute (public transport or cab/ride-sharing) or run some necessary errand or make a presentation on my way to a meeting. Sophisticated apps becoming available on mobile has freed me from having to be chained to my workdesk, find more time for my personal life or risk bad posture by working with a laptop on my lap during commute etc. Lots of companies in this business make reasonably easy to use mobile interfaces - so if some company like this chooses not to support mobile, it's a non-starter for me.