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Fibery – yet another collaboration tool

705 points by pookeh 7y ago

vassilyk 7y ago
They nailed it. Maybe a bit too much? The entire SaaS industry will have to come up with new, better BS to sell now!
jan6 7y ago
finally, someone who advertises how bad they are, the idea I've had for a while and like to call "reverse advertising"... I love it... now, if only I had a team to convert...
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  A decade or two ago, I heard a Sprite jingle on the radio, which contained the lyrics "We'll say anything because we're getting paid". Depending on your audience, this can actually be effective signalling.
pisteoff 7y ago
Even so, I bet it's better than Teams.
- Trowter 7y ago
  Fuck teams
notatoad 7y ago
this appears to be an actual product, not just a joke landing page? wow
- monkeytree 7y ago
  It's a joke and a real product - they have a real landing page too. https://fibery.io https://fibery.io vs https://fibery.io/anxiety https://fibery.io/anxiety
  - scottkrager 7y ago
    The joke one is so much more concise and just better. I know what the product is about instantly.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    Mobile browser hiding the URL makes this approach work almost too well.
    - gtirloni 7y ago
      I think this will backfire if it gets more traffic than the real page.
  - mroche 7y ago
    They have 4: https://fibery.io/build https://fibery.io/build https://fibery.io/freedom https://fibery.io/freedom https://fibery.io/connect https://fibery.io/connect https://fibery.io/anxiety https://fibery.io/anxiety It appears to round-robin on page load of https://fibery.io/ https://fibery.io/
- cvhashim 7y ago
  Someone is really committed to this.
proee 7y ago
This looks like a tool similar to Notion.io and Coda.io
- tablet 7y ago
  Yeah, we'd like to focus on teams and companies more and provide a middle ground between flexibility of Notion and rigidness of Asana.
phinnaeus 7y ago
They have several of these landing pages, you can toggle between them by clicking the "I don't get it" button that floats in the bottom right or by clicking the logo. https://fibery.io/ https://fibery.io/
- mroche 7y ago
  I was hoping someone was going to post this, my sides are in pain from laughing so hard at this site. It does such an excellent job of highlighting all of the marketing tropes currently trending in SV and tech and I for one absolutely love it. I'm not going to lie, just from what they have on their several landing pages it looks like a cool project. Bookmarking for future reference and to check if they're still around in 5 years.
- joenot443 7y ago
  https://fibery.io/build https://fibery.io/build Found this one particularly charming. First time I've ever been pleasantly surprised by a mouse-over-background-effect.
  - mdip 7y ago
    I thought the same thing... Kinda neat hovering the mouse around and watching the little "." move the white part. Unfortunately, they cost me some extra work. I began to realize how many times I have sneezed with the laptop on my lap without cleaning the screen ... I kept seeing dots that weren't there and had to break out the wipes.
  - Akababa 7y ago
    That's nifty! I spent a while trying to figure out how it worked before realizing it's a Voronoi diagram. Simple yet beautiful.
  - deleted 7y ago
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kresten 7y ago
So which way to go .... the MVP that EVERYONE says to launch, or mockery because you’ve launched something less than perfect.
- blhack 7y ago
  The people who get stuck afraid of doing it wrong usually end up launching nothing.
  - OJFord 7y ago
    Hi! I'm here. Definitely in that camp, and I've just been complaining about it this very evening, you know, instead of doing anything about it. There's just always a reason not to - if I tidy up I'll be happier and focus better; if I build that desk I've been meaning to first, I'll be more productive; if I cook, food's sorted for a bit; if I get an indoor bicycle trainer I'll be able to take an energising break between work (from home) and my own projects; etc. ad nauseaum. Or perhaps ob nauseam.
magic_beans 7y ago
HN links rarely make me laugh but this was hilarious.
utborin 7y ago
“We have miserably spent 3 years of our lives and are still ashamed of the result.” This should come with a trigger warning.
- taneq 7y ago
  The tagline in the top left, though: > Try. > Suffer. > Quit.
  - agumonkey 7y ago
    my career in 3 short lines
jupp0r 7y ago
Beats Jira any day. Lack of features is a blessing.
- cyberferret 7y ago
  The page made me giggle when scrolling down, but the 'user testimonials' actually made my LOL. Especially the JIRA one.
wolfpwner 7y ago
They are missing careers page!
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  Oh, that could be beautiful to read! Please, Fibery, do it!
- nurettin 7y ago
  Pretty sure they can only afford a few core developers at a time and the code base is a 3D maze with portals.
  - tablet 7y ago
    Our codebase is Clojure + Javascript
lifeisstillgood 7y ago
Wait what now? This is a real product, but marketed by Seinfeld's script writer? I mean parts of the real product are what I want / build from sphinx spare parts - and I cannot work out now if those features are worthwhile or dumb. I am very confused
- ignoramous 7y ago
  It is indeed a real product. They've got several different landing pages. The one you've read is https://fibery.io/anxiety https://fibery.io/anxiety Check out https://fibery.io/freedom https://fibery.io/freedom, https://fibery.io/connect https://fibery.io/connect, and https://fibery.io/build https://fibery.io/build
  - aitchnyu 7y ago
    They redirect to random landing pages. That will be a nasty Easter egg when you see a serious landing page and you ask somebody to Google it and they get the spoof page.Whats the error message? And do native English speakers associate "fibery" with "healthy"? Don't get me started on fans spinning hard on FF in Ubuntu.
    - tablet 7y ago
      They are not random. If it's your first time at the website, you will see serious page and can see funny one after several deliberate updates (there is a special button for this). So if you just send fibery.io to a new person, he will see something serious for sure.
- mdip 7y ago
  I'm with you - in a way, goodness, sure looks like they're getting a lot of attention, but like others -- "until I hit the comments on hacker news", I thought it was satire[0]. [0] Actually, I thought it was clever advertising by Atlassian -- and I actually started feeling cynical about the whole thing (I'm not a huge fan of their products but theirs are among the tools we use where I work).
jraines 7y ago
I am evaluating work tracking tools and signed up for this after someone on my team linked to the joke lander and once I figured out it was a real app. Looks quite promising although no mobile is a tough pill to swallow. I could go on but just an interesting side thought: people who design these should get a special title - Meta PM? Seems like you have to meet a very high bar of minimum stuff “everyone” has, at about the same price, while still having some degree of Jobs-ian stubbornness because you will NEVER satisfy everyone
- tablet 7y ago
  We'll definitely add mobile support in the future. It's hard to to everything with small team, so we have to focus.
icelancer 7y ago
"Mobile last" is actually a strong feature. Screw working on your tiny phone; make the desktop the target environment.
- Bootwizard 7y ago
  I can't tell if this is sarcasm...is it?
  - duncan-donuts 7y ago
    Probably not... there’s plenty of things that don’t really need to be mobile first.
  - kome 7y ago
    i can answer for myself: it's really not sarcasm. In my personal experience, Phones suck at everything, really. Phones are just for consumers and commuters, workers need desktops.
  - zbentley 7y ago
    I hope not. I see far too many business applications that waste I can't imagine how many person-hours on terrible mobile apps/sites. In some segments, the people who want to use your app on mobile just aren't the people that your business can add value to (not because of their choice of device, but because of what their choice of device indicates about how they plan to use and value your product). Don't spend your time ticking boxes of competitors' features. Specialize.
  - icelancer 7y ago
    It isn't. We don't code on an iPhone or tiny screen. Heavy lifting is done on a full sized screen. Make applications that actually work on them first and foremost.
  - IggleSniggle 7y ago
    I hope not! Funny thing. When I find myself needing to use JIRA or GitLab or whatever on the go and mobile is my only option, I end up requesting the desktop version on my phone anyway...because the mobile app doesn't do what I need it to do, or if it does it hides the functionality so I never find it. My experience is that for productivity software that lives in a browser, there's absolutely no point in a mobile version. Just serve up the desktop version and make sure the user can zoom in on the portion they need to interact with, and perform all actions necessary with clicks.
monkin 7y ago
I love each version of it! :D
pen2l 7y ago
Okay I'm usually annoyed by these things, but seeing pg's picture... and then thinking "Oh, hmm, YC-funded huh"... then seeing Marc Anderseen's picture... then... seen a lot of other pictures, and then seeing "Inspired by investors." Wonderful job. Stellar.
- the_cat_kittles 7y ago
  lol at ur hero worship
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  Sold Masa!
- agoodthrowaway 7y ago
  What’s great is that their actual landing page has a section that says inspired by inventors.
caseyf7 7y ago
Sadly, this is better than most of those sites
paulmooreparks 7y ago
This would be hilarious if I weren't hip-deep in dealing with such a product IRL right now. :(
- paulmooreparks 7y ago
  The page just crashed Edge on my phone. Was that part of the joke or a serendipitously funny coincidence?
  - olyjohn 7y ago
    They probably are specifically detecting the user-agent for that feature.
  - pookeh 7y ago
    Funnily enough their demo gif is their app crashing Chrome on desktop.
- nwienert 7y ago
  Cheers, me too. Too close to home haha. We should chat
xenonite 7y ago
Although I find the page funny, I find the HN title rather clickbaity. The HN rules explicitly discourage editorializing this way. Isn’t there a better title?
- whymauri 7y ago
  I suppose the only viable, non-editorialized title would be: * "Yet Another Collaboration Tool" or * "fibery.io/anxiety" But that really doesn't convey the content very well.
  - xenonite 7y ago
    Well it seems the title got changed anyhow, to a combination of your proposals. For reference, the original title was: “A brutally honest landing page.”
- slowenough 7y ago
  You're most likely mistaken. Clickbait is not just about attracting attention, it also needs to be misleading. So while your complaint passes 1 test for clickbait it fails the other. Please be more thoughtful before posting unfounded meta comments, the HN rules explicitly discourage low-value content that doesn't contribute substantially to the discussion.
TrentLarr 7y ago
It's a brutally honest look at the shortcomings of a startup backed by a product, that seriously, looks to be at least decent. Their intent is to get you to convert, but instead of giving the usual flowery bullshit, they make you laugh. Fine, I'll try it.
- gtirloni 7y ago
  I didn't come out of it thinking this is real.
  - TrentLarr 7y ago
    At some point, the amount of people who have the curiosity to click any of the links probably outweighs the poor traffic if it was just like "we made a new tracker". I think they've hit that point.
    - taurath 7y ago
      Absolutely, they got my eyes on the product for far longer than they would have otherwise.
  - markdoubleyou 7y ago
    I thought it was a joke, too, until I came here and started reading comments.
- mobjack 7y ago
  Their intent is to get free advertising by being on the front page of HN. This page could be worse at conversion but wins by going viral.
entrep91 7y ago
I think this company made me laugh and destroyed their brand in one shot. I'm not sure what to think, especially considering this is a legitimate product.
xer0x 7y ago
Brilliant. I love how there are so many different themes to the landing page. I'm signing up.
t_mann 7y ago
Well, it got them on the HN front page - looks like they’re doing at least a few things right.
andbberger 7y ago
I love this so much. Cheers to them.
anvarik 7y ago
you got me at Warren Buffett
djohnston 7y ago
well done!
valbaca 7y ago
"Inspired by investors" (as opposed to "Inspired by inventors") got me good.
spion 7y ago
Their approach to the product seems to be novel too! They decided to go against common grain of familiarity and immediate perceived ease of use, but didn't just add a billion fields to configure everything with a dense manual - they try to offer just-in-time help pages that offer analogies and examples for the stuff you are configuring. I wish them all the best! Hope people find it worthwhile to invest some time in learning the product (it will definitely be somewhat necessary)
ely-s 7y ago
I had no idea which parts of this website were real.
djohnston 7y ago
Also FWIW, i signed up and am playing around and kind of enjoying it. will give it a serious try tomorrow
- tablet 7y ago
  Let me know if any questions, we are ready to help with setup!
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ixtli 7y ago
This is truly incredible. I made a personal account just to play around with this. More of this kind of thing, seriously.
alexpetralia 7y ago
Sort of crazy. I always hear about how startups need immense traction (e.g. DAU, revenue) before getting funding, and yet somehow Fibery seems to exist (persist?) in spite of that. Here are the October numbers[1]: Product: Fibery — SaaS B2B (SMB) work management platform Stage: Private Beta Launch: Q4 2019 (public) Development: 31 months Leads/month: 500 → 380 Total Accounts: 490 → 520 Active Accounts: 15 → 20 Team size: 10 Burn rate: ~$40K/month MRR: $0 [1] https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-io-chronicles-14-anxious-september-d25908071c80 https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-io-chronicles-14-anxious-se...
- nikkwong 7y ago
  It's pretty insane to spend 31 months building something like this when the market is so crowded. Hope it was a spare time/weekend thing. Thought it was just a joke so didn't consider signing up; however, product looks really strong! Hope they make it. But for example > "It only gets worse from here. It's not just the creator who suffers, but everyone else too." Funny but maybe a bit too literal. That's when the page turned into complete satire to me and I had to come to the comments section on HN to realize that they actually had a product offering.
  - alexpetralia 7y ago
    It looks like the founder (according to LinkedIn at least) is also the founder of another ~100-person company, so I'm guessing they had some spare cash to incubate this.
  - rozhok 7y ago
    They have a team of full-time employees working on it. Also, it's written on Clojure.
- imperio59 7y ago
  I built a product of similar complexity by myself in a few months. It's built for a small but growing niche. After 2 months of having launched I already have about 70 paid accounts and $1.5K MRR with minimal marketing. It boggles my mind to think people can burn $40K a month before having an understanding of whether what they built has product market fit. I literally spent maybe a total of $5000 building and launching my product (+ my time, arguably that's a hidden cost but if you're a software engineer founder, that's also a major asset for you) and with 70 accounts we're getting 2-3 feedback and suggestion emails a day and iterating to please our customers and find PMF before I consider taking any investor money or hiring anyone. Also their actual marketing page sucks. They don't have a particular differentiator from similar products, I don't really understand what their app does... Blargh. :/
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slowenough 7y ago
That is really, really funny. Make sure you click the "I don't get it, explain differently button".
whalesalad 7y ago
I thought this was a parody on our current landscape ... then I realized it's a real product?
jason-festa 7y ago
No clue that this was real
sverhagen 7y ago
"Nobody ever got fired for buying Atlassian." Well, sure, but that doesn't mean it's too late to start doing that now? I really try to like the Atlassian tools that we have, but they just make it so damn hard. I often wonder if the people at Atlassian use those tools themselves, because if so, why don't they fix the obvious issues. Just today, maybe not the most obvious issue, perhaps, Bitbucket decided to execute the "master" pipeline for a build that clearly wasn't off the "master" branch, thus pushing unmerged code into the Staging environment. Nice trick, Atlassian!
- cheez 7y ago
  Have you seen the Java code behind JIRA? It's very Enterprise.
- spion 7y ago
  I'm sure they'll get around to it once their PM figures out the way to copy a link to the bug they filed on Jira about it.
wrs 7y ago
Related HN post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776521 Also: https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-io-burnout-so-exploring-a-startup-focused-pivot-6278c318c669 https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-io-burnout-so-exploring-a-s...
- tablet 7y ago
  That was just an experiment. Now everything is real.
betaby 7y ago
It's a good product nonetheless.
nlh 7y ago
I experienced such a fascinating wave of emotions reading this link and then this thread. Let me share so others' can compare: "Ha! This is funny. It's poking fun at all these sites that try to reinvent a productivity tool. Wow...yup...they nailed it...yeah this looks hilariously over-complex. Ok, good parody!" ...goes to HN comments... First comment...joke about the joke. Ha, funny's! Second comment...yup people laughing at the joke... 10th comment...wait...um...someone said there was a different landing page. Ok, that's weird, this one seems less like satire. 15th comment...wait wait...I think this might be...a real product? ...Reads Medium post...goes back to HN comments....re-reads landing page. "Ok..wait. This is actually a real product. They just spent 5 minutes making me think they were mocking other products with their fake over-complex screens...but....this...is....real?" And now I just posted this. I think it's time for Thanksgiving vacation to start.
- mhluongo 7y ago
  The Twitter is really something > First version of Whiteboard is here. So far you can only create Tree component to see hierarchies. Well, we had to start with something and will add more components based on your feedback. https://twitter.com/fibery_io/status/1198999705822416897?s=19 https://twitter.com/fibery_io/status/1198999705822416897?s=1...
  - spiralganglion 7y ago
    They didn't just start shouting out into the world about their features and efforts. They didn't just sugar-coat that self-promotion with forced jokes (looking at you, Slack). They first designed their voice — subtly self-deprecating, but from a place of struggling to one's best, without forced jokes (even though it's totally intentionally funny). This is brilliant.
    - tablet 7y ago
      Thanks! This is the most inspiring comment for a long time for us.
  - darekkay 7y ago
montag 7y ago
Wait, it’s not an Atlassian advertisement? It’s an actual product?
werber 7y ago
Who didn’t work on this
jokab 7y ago
hahaha i love it!
Paraesthetic 7y ago
Is this the landing page for OneDesk? It seems about right
thinkr42 7y ago
What’s so powerful for me is that my old company’s “brand” is exactly this style
ljm 7y ago
This is the sort of chaotic neutral I want Cthulhu Ventures to buy into.
rubyfan 7y ago
Is this an ad for Atlassian?
- tablet 7y ago
  Why?
eitland 7y ago
Well done. I actually want to test this product. Hard to say why but something resonates with me. Maybe it is that I love working in a desktop environment (KDE) that people love to trash lime this yet is really comfortable for me. Or maybe I'm just so fed up with landing pages and this was just different.
olingern 7y ago
I've seen such ironic,self-deprecating media in advertising on TV -- but a SAAS's landing page? Bold. The stickiness and success could make this a mini-trend which dies out quickly, comes back five years from now, and then lives on forever as paradoxically ironic.
tablet 7y ago
Hi, I'm Fibery Founder (and late to the party), so if you have specific questions, shoot.
- pas 7y ago
  Is this better than JIRA? (Yes everything is better than JIRA, especially a rock, as that is fast and does not get uglier with redesigns.) Is this open source? (I guess not, but still any thoughts/plans? AGPL? Mongo/Redis-like anti-AWS license?) GitLab has issues. I mean the feature not the bugs. Is Fibery oriented at code based projects? Can I model a CRM flow with it? (I don't know what's the "correct" answer to this, it's just something that comes to mind sometimes.)
  - tablet 7y ago
    1. Fibery is not better that JIRA (or is better). JIRA is focused on software development, while Fibery can cover more areas and more processes. It really depends on your needs. For example, Fibery has no integration with source control yet. However, documents integrated with real work processes better than in JIRA. 2. Fibery is closed source. 3. We try to keep Fibery a broad product and so far we think our competitors are Notion, Coda and Airtable. Not Gitlab. 4. Yes, you can. Note that Fibery has no automations so far (only Zapier and API), it means some cases will be hard to have. Like email communication via Fibery with automatic linkage of all messages to some Account. You can check more info here https://help.fibery.io/en/collections/1831852-map-your-process-into-fibery https://help.fibery.io/en/collections/1831852-map-your-proce...
    - Conan_Kudo 7y ago
      Would you consider open sourcing the application with a license like AGPLv3+?
      - tablet 7y ago
        We indeed considered that, but no decision so far. We'll see.
shtolcers 7y ago
It surely is "mobile last". My phone froze and restarted on its own while checking out this page.
softwarelimits 7y ago
Haha, nice, but you should even lower the contrast on the text to identify as a typical "dumb designer low contrast low quality" outlet. :)
- tablet 7y ago
  This would be too much :)
cdevs 7y ago
Pretty cool stuff, i know ive asked for some of these features as my team uses asana for as much as we can and jira was super slow and clunky back in the day - though i checked it out recently and it seems like a much better experience. In the tool the modals could really use a X button to close the modal, the 2 or 3 seconds i second guessed where to click each time was annoying. It would be cool to discover if asana had some of these features all of a sudden but i think putting so many features front and center is going to hurt your adoption. Slack for instances can be easily underused as simply a chat application, later on the tech guy shows up and starts dropping in chat bots and cool helpers and what not. The relationship stuff is pretty cool i hope i dig more into this stuff later. Also are you guys planning on expanding the signup options beyond google/microsoft? it was easy for me to signup just curious how much of a roadblock that is to the rest of the internet.
- tablet 7y ago
  Thank you for the feedback. There is always hard balance between power and simplicity. It is remain to be seen how we handled it. Email signup is in near plans, it was just much easier to start with Google/Microsoft signup to not be responsible for passwords.

705 points by pookeh 7y ago

They nailed it. Maybe a bit too much? The entire SaaS industry will have to come up with new, better BS to sell now!

jan6 7y ago

finally, someone who advertises how bad they are, the idea I've had for a while and like to call "reverse advertising"... I love it... now, if only I had a team to convert...

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
A decade or two ago, I heard a Sprite jingle on the radio, which contained the lyrics "We'll say anything because we're getting paid". Depending on your audience, this can actually be effective signalling.

pisteoff 7y ago

Even so, I bet it's better than Teams.

Trowter 7y ago
Fuck teams

notatoad 7y ago

this appears to be an actual product, not just a joke landing page? wow

monkeytree 7y ago
It's a joke and a real product - they have a real landing page too. https://fibery.io https://fibery.io vs https://fibery.io/anxiety https://fibery.io/anxiety
- scottkrager 7y ago
  The joke one is so much more concise and just better. I know what the product is about instantly.
- zaroth 7y ago
  Mobile browser hiding the URL makes this approach work almost too well.
  - gtirloni 7y ago
    I think this will backfire if it gets more traffic than the real page.
- mroche 7y ago
  They have 4: https://fibery.io/build https://fibery.io/build https://fibery.io/freedom https://fibery.io/freedom https://fibery.io/connect https://fibery.io/connect https://fibery.io/anxiety https://fibery.io/anxiety It appears to round-robin on page load of https://fibery.io/ https://fibery.io/
cvhashim 7y ago
Someone is really committed to this.

proee 7y ago

This looks like a tool similar to Notion.io and Coda.io

tablet 7y ago
Yeah, we'd like to focus on teams and companies more and provide a middle ground between flexibility of Notion and rigidness of Asana.

phinnaeus 7y ago

They have several of these landing pages, you can toggle between them by clicking the "I don't get it" button that floats in the bottom right or by clicking the logo. https://fibery.io/ https://fibery.io/

mroche 7y ago
I was hoping someone was going to post this, my sides are in pain from laughing so hard at this site. It does such an excellent job of highlighting all of the marketing tropes currently trending in SV and tech and I for one absolutely love it. I'm not going to lie, just from what they have on their several landing pages it looks like a cool project. Bookmarking for future reference and to check if they're still around in 5 years.
joenot443 7y ago
https://fibery.io/build https://fibery.io/build Found this one particularly charming. First time I've ever been pleasantly surprised by a mouse-over-background-effect.
- mdip 7y ago
  I thought the same thing... Kinda neat hovering the mouse around and watching the little "." move the white part. Unfortunately, they cost me some extra work. I began to realize how many times I have sneezed with the laptop on my lap without cleaning the screen ... I kept seeing dots that weren't there and had to break out the wipes.
- Akababa 7y ago
  That's nifty! I spent a while trying to figure out how it worked before realizing it's a Voronoi diagram. Simple yet beautiful.
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kresten 7y ago

So which way to go .... the MVP that EVERYONE says to launch, or mockery because you’ve launched something less than perfect.

blhack 7y ago
The people who get stuck afraid of doing it wrong usually end up launching nothing.
- OJFord 7y ago
  Hi! I'm here. Definitely in that camp, and I've just been complaining about it this very evening, you know, instead of doing anything about it. There's just always a reason not to - if I tidy up I'll be happier and focus better; if I build that desk I've been meaning to first, I'll be more productive; if I cook, food's sorted for a bit; if I get an indoor bicycle trainer I'll be able to take an energising break between work (from home) and my own projects; etc. ad nauseaum. Or perhaps ob nauseam.

magic_beans 7y ago

HN links rarely make me laugh but this was hilarious.

utborin 7y ago

“We have miserably spent 3 years of our lives and are still ashamed of the result.” This should come with a trigger warning.

taneq 7y ago
The tagline in the top left, though: > Try. > Suffer. > Quit.
- agumonkey 7y ago
  my career in 3 short lines

jupp0r 7y ago

Beats Jira any day. Lack of features is a blessing.

cyberferret 7y ago
The page made me giggle when scrolling down, but the 'user testimonials' actually made my LOL. Especially the JIRA one.

wolfpwner 7y ago

They are missing careers page!

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
Oh, that could be beautiful to read! Please, Fibery, do it!
nurettin 7y ago
Pretty sure they can only afford a few core developers at a time and the code base is a 3D maze with portals.
- tablet 7y ago
  Our codebase is Clojure + Javascript

lifeisstillgood 7y ago

Wait what now? This is a real product, but marketed by Seinfeld's script writer? I mean parts of the real product are what I want / build from sphinx spare parts - and I cannot work out now if those features are worthwhile or dumb. I am very confused

ignoramous 7y ago
It is indeed a real product. They've got several different landing pages. The one you've read is https://fibery.io/anxiety https://fibery.io/anxiety Check out https://fibery.io/freedom https://fibery.io/freedom, https://fibery.io/connect https://fibery.io/connect, and https://fibery.io/build https://fibery.io/build
- aitchnyu 7y ago
  They redirect to random landing pages. That will be a nasty Easter egg when you see a serious landing page and you ask somebody to Google it and they get the spoof page.Whats the error message? And do native English speakers associate "fibery" with "healthy"? Don't get me started on fans spinning hard on FF in Ubuntu.
  - tablet 7y ago
    They are not random. If it's your first time at the website, you will see serious page and can see funny one after several deliberate updates (there is a special button for this). So if you just send fibery.io to a new person, he will see something serious for sure.
mdip 7y ago
I'm with you - in a way, goodness, sure looks like they're getting a lot of attention, but like others -- "until I hit the comments on hacker news", I thought it was satire[0]. [0] Actually, I thought it was clever advertising by Atlassian -- and I actually started feeling cynical about the whole thing (I'm not a huge fan of their products but theirs are among the tools we use where I work).

jraines 7y ago

I am evaluating work tracking tools and signed up for this after someone on my team linked to the joke lander and once I figured out it was a real app. Looks quite promising although no mobile is a tough pill to swallow. I could go on but just an interesting side thought: people who design these should get a special title - Meta PM? Seems like you have to meet a very high bar of minimum stuff “everyone” has, at about the same price, while still having some degree of Jobs-ian stubbornness because you will NEVER satisfy everyone

tablet 7y ago
We'll definitely add mobile support in the future. It's hard to to everything with small team, so we have to focus.

icelancer 7y ago

"Mobile last" is actually a strong feature. Screw working on your tiny phone; make the desktop the target environment.

Bootwizard 7y ago
I can't tell if this is sarcasm...is it?
- duncan-donuts 7y ago
  Probably not... there’s plenty of things that don’t really need to be mobile first.
- kome 7y ago
  i can answer for myself: it's really not sarcasm. In my personal experience, Phones suck at everything, really. Phones are just for consumers and commuters, workers need desktops.
- zbentley 7y ago
  I hope not. I see far too many business applications that waste I can't imagine how many person-hours on terrible mobile apps/sites. In some segments, the people who want to use your app on mobile just aren't the people that your business can add value to (not because of their choice of device, but because of what their choice of device indicates about how they plan to use and value your product). Don't spend your time ticking boxes of competitors' features. Specialize.
- icelancer 7y ago
  It isn't. We don't code on an iPhone or tiny screen. Heavy lifting is done on a full sized screen. Make applications that actually work on them first and foremost.
- IggleSniggle 7y ago
  I hope not! Funny thing. When I find myself needing to use JIRA or GitLab or whatever on the go and mobile is my only option, I end up requesting the desktop version on my phone anyway...because the mobile app doesn't do what I need it to do, or if it does it hides the functionality so I never find it. My experience is that for productivity software that lives in a browser, there's absolutely no point in a mobile version. Just serve up the desktop version and make sure the user can zoom in on the portion they need to interact with, and perform all actions necessary with clicks.

monkin 7y ago

I love each version of it! :D

pen2l 7y ago

Okay I'm usually annoyed by these things, but seeing pg's picture... and then thinking "Oh, hmm, YC-funded huh"... then seeing Marc Anderseen's picture... then... seen a lot of other pictures, and then seeing "Inspired by investors." Wonderful job. Stellar.

the_cat_kittles 7y ago
lol at ur hero worship
JumpCrisscross 7y ago
Sold Masa!
agoodthrowaway 7y ago
What’s great is that their actual landing page has a section that says inspired by inventors.

caseyf7 7y ago

Sadly, this is better than most of those sites

paulmooreparks 7y ago

This would be hilarious if I weren't hip-deep in dealing with such a product IRL right now. :(

paulmooreparks 7y ago
The page just crashed Edge on my phone. Was that part of the joke or a serendipitously funny coincidence?
- olyjohn 7y ago
  They probably are specifically detecting the user-agent for that feature.
- pookeh 7y ago
  Funnily enough their demo gif is their app crashing Chrome on desktop.
nwienert 7y ago
Cheers, me too. Too close to home haha. We should chat

xenonite 7y ago

Although I find the page funny, I find the HN title rather clickbaity. The HN rules explicitly discourage editorializing this way. Isn’t there a better title?

whymauri 7y ago
I suppose the only viable, non-editorialized title would be: * "Yet Another Collaboration Tool" or * "fibery.io/anxiety" But that really doesn't convey the content very well.
- xenonite 7y ago
  Well it seems the title got changed anyhow, to a combination of your proposals. For reference, the original title was: “A brutally honest landing page.”
slowenough 7y ago
You're most likely mistaken. Clickbait is not just about attracting attention, it also needs to be misleading. So while your complaint passes 1 test for clickbait it fails the other. Please be more thoughtful before posting unfounded meta comments, the HN rules explicitly discourage low-value content that doesn't contribute substantially to the discussion.

TrentLarr 7y ago

It's a brutally honest look at the shortcomings of a startup backed by a product, that seriously, looks to be at least decent. Their intent is to get you to convert, but instead of giving the usual flowery bullshit, they make you laugh. Fine, I'll try it.

gtirloni 7y ago
I didn't come out of it thinking this is real.
- TrentLarr 7y ago
  At some point, the amount of people who have the curiosity to click any of the links probably outweighs the poor traffic if it was just like "we made a new tracker". I think they've hit that point.
  - taurath 7y ago
    Absolutely, they got my eyes on the product for far longer than they would have otherwise.
- markdoubleyou 7y ago
  I thought it was a joke, too, until I came here and started reading comments.
mobjack 7y ago
Their intent is to get free advertising by being on the front page of HN. This page could be worse at conversion but wins by going viral.

entrep91 7y ago

I think this company made me laugh and destroyed their brand in one shot. I'm not sure what to think, especially considering this is a legitimate product.

xer0x 7y ago

Brilliant. I love how there are so many different themes to the landing page. I'm signing up.

t_mann 7y ago

Well, it got them on the HN front page - looks like they’re doing at least a few things right.

andbberger 7y ago

I love this so much. Cheers to them.

anvarik 7y ago

you got me at Warren Buffett

djohnston 7y ago

well done!

valbaca 7y ago

"Inspired by investors" (as opposed to "Inspired by inventors") got me good.

spion 7y ago

Their approach to the product seems to be novel too! They decided to go against common grain of familiarity and immediate perceived ease of use, but didn't just add a billion fields to configure everything with a dense manual - they try to offer just-in-time help pages that offer analogies and examples for the stuff you are configuring. I wish them all the best! Hope people find it worthwhile to invest some time in learning the product (it will definitely be somewhat necessary)

ely-s 7y ago

I had no idea which parts of this website were real.

djohnston 7y ago

Also FWIW, i signed up and am playing around and kind of enjoying it. will give it a serious try tomorrow

tablet 7y ago
Let me know if any questions, we are ready to help with setup!

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ixtli 7y ago

This is truly incredible. I made a personal account just to play around with this. More of this kind of thing, seriously.

alexpetralia 7y ago

Sort of crazy. I always hear about how startups need immense traction (e.g. DAU, revenue) before getting funding, and yet somehow Fibery seems to exist (persist?) in spite of that. Here are the October numbers[1]: Product: Fibery — SaaS B2B (SMB) work management platform Stage: Private Beta Launch: Q4 2019 (public) Development: 31 months Leads/month: 500 → 380 Total Accounts: 490 → 520 Active Accounts: 15 → 20 Team size: 10 Burn rate: ~$40K/month MRR: $0 [1] https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-io-chronicles-14-anxious-september-d25908071c80 https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-io-chronicles-14-anxious-se...

nikkwong 7y ago
It's pretty insane to spend 31 months building something like this when the market is so crowded. Hope it was a spare time/weekend thing. Thought it was just a joke so didn't consider signing up; however, product looks really strong! Hope they make it. But for example > "It only gets worse from here. It's not just the creator who suffers, but everyone else too." Funny but maybe a bit too literal. That's when the page turned into complete satire to me and I had to come to the comments section on HN to realize that they actually had a product offering.
- alexpetralia 7y ago
  It looks like the founder (according to LinkedIn at least) is also the founder of another ~100-person company, so I'm guessing they had some spare cash to incubate this.
- rozhok 7y ago
  They have a team of full-time employees working on it. Also, it's written on Clojure.
imperio59 7y ago
I built a product of similar complexity by myself in a few months. It's built for a small but growing niche. After 2 months of having launched I already have about 70 paid accounts and $1.5K MRR with minimal marketing. It boggles my mind to think people can burn $40K a month before having an understanding of whether what they built has product market fit. I literally spent maybe a total of $5000 building and launching my product (+ my time, arguably that's a hidden cost but if you're a software engineer founder, that's also a major asset for you) and with 70 accounts we're getting 2-3 feedback and suggestion emails a day and iterating to please our customers and find PMF before I consider taking any investor money or hiring anyone. Also their actual marketing page sucks. They don't have a particular differentiator from similar products, I don't really understand what their app does... Blargh. :/

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slowenough 7y ago

That is really, really funny. Make sure you click the "I don't get it, explain differently button".

whalesalad 7y ago

I thought this was a parody on our current landscape ... then I realized it's a real product?

jason-festa 7y ago

No clue that this was real

sverhagen 7y ago

"Nobody ever got fired for buying Atlassian." Well, sure, but that doesn't mean it's too late to start doing that now? I really try to like the Atlassian tools that we have, but they just make it so damn hard. I often wonder if the people at Atlassian use those tools themselves, because if so, why don't they fix the obvious issues. Just today, maybe not the most obvious issue, perhaps, Bitbucket decided to execute the "master" pipeline for a build that clearly wasn't off the "master" branch, thus pushing unmerged code into the Staging environment. Nice trick, Atlassian!

cheez 7y ago
Have you seen the Java code behind JIRA? It's very Enterprise.
spion 7y ago
I'm sure they'll get around to it once their PM figures out the way to copy a link to the bug they filed on Jira about it.

wrs 7y ago

Related HN post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20776521 Also: https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-io-burnout-so-exploring-a-startup-focused-pivot-6278c318c669 https://medium.com/fibery/fibery-io-burnout-so-exploring-a-s...

tablet 7y ago
That was just an experiment. Now everything is real.

betaby 7y ago

It's a good product nonetheless.

nlh 7y ago

I experienced such a fascinating wave of emotions reading this link and then this thread. Let me share so others' can compare: "Ha! This is funny. It's poking fun at all these sites that try to reinvent a productivity tool. Wow...yup...they nailed it...yeah this looks hilariously over-complex. Ok, good parody!" ...goes to HN comments... First comment...joke about the joke. Ha, funny's! Second comment...yup people laughing at the joke... 10th comment...wait...um...someone said there was a different landing page. Ok, that's weird, this one seems less like satire. 15th comment...wait wait...I think this might be...a real product? ...Reads Medium post...goes back to HN comments....re-reads landing page. "Ok..wait. This is actually a real product. They just spent 5 minutes making me think they were mocking other products with their fake over-complex screens...but....this...is....real?" And now I just posted this. I think it's time for Thanksgiving vacation to start.

mhluongo 7y ago
The Twitter is really something > First version of Whiteboard is here. So far you can only create Tree component to see hierarchies. Well, we had to start with something and will add more components based on your feedback. https://twitter.com/fibery_io/status/1198999705822416897?s=19 https://twitter.com/fibery_io/status/1198999705822416897?s=1...
- spiralganglion 7y ago
  They didn't just start shouting out into the world about their features and efforts. They didn't just sugar-coat that self-promotion with forced jokes (looking at you, Slack). They first designed their voice — subtly self-deprecating, but from a place of struggling to one's best, without forced jokes (even though it's totally intentionally funny). This is brilliant.
  - tablet 7y ago
    Thanks! This is the most inspiring comment for a long time for us.
- darekkay 7y ago

montag 7y ago

Wait, it’s not an Atlassian advertisement? It’s an actual product?

werber 7y ago

Who didn’t work on this

jokab 7y ago

hahaha i love it!

Paraesthetic 7y ago

Is this the landing page for OneDesk? It seems about right

thinkr42 7y ago

What’s so powerful for me is that my old company’s “brand” is exactly this style

ljm 7y ago

This is the sort of chaotic neutral I want Cthulhu Ventures to buy into.

rubyfan 7y ago

Is this an ad for Atlassian?

tablet 7y ago
Why?

eitland 7y ago

Well done. I actually want to test this product. Hard to say why but something resonates with me. Maybe it is that I love working in a desktop environment (KDE) that people love to trash lime this yet is really comfortable for me. Or maybe I'm just so fed up with landing pages and this was just different.

olingern 7y ago

I've seen such ironic,self-deprecating media in advertising on TV -- but a SAAS's landing page? Bold. The stickiness and success could make this a mini-trend which dies out quickly, comes back five years from now, and then lives on forever as paradoxically ironic.

tablet 7y ago

Hi, I'm Fibery Founder (and late to the party), so if you have specific questions, shoot.

pas 7y ago
Is this better than JIRA? (Yes everything is better than JIRA, especially a rock, as that is fast and does not get uglier with redesigns.) Is this open source? (I guess not, but still any thoughts/plans? AGPL? Mongo/Redis-like anti-AWS license?) GitLab has issues. I mean the feature not the bugs. Is Fibery oriented at code based projects? Can I model a CRM flow with it? (I don't know what's the "correct" answer to this, it's just something that comes to mind sometimes.)
- tablet 7y ago
  1. Fibery is not better that JIRA (or is better). JIRA is focused on software development, while Fibery can cover more areas and more processes. It really depends on your needs. For example, Fibery has no integration with source control yet. However, documents integrated with real work processes better than in JIRA. 2. Fibery is closed source. 3. We try to keep Fibery a broad product and so far we think our competitors are Notion, Coda and Airtable. Not Gitlab. 4. Yes, you can. Note that Fibery has no automations so far (only Zapier and API), it means some cases will be hard to have. Like email communication via Fibery with automatic linkage of all messages to some Account. You can check more info here https://help.fibery.io/en/collections/1831852-map-your-process-into-fibery https://help.fibery.io/en/collections/1831852-map-your-proce...
  - Conan_Kudo 7y ago
    Would you consider open sourcing the application with a license like AGPLv3+?
    - tablet 7y ago
      We indeed considered that, but no decision so far. We'll see.

shtolcers 7y ago

It surely is "mobile last". My phone froze and restarted on its own while checking out this page.

softwarelimits 7y ago

Haha, nice, but you should even lower the contrast on the text to identify as a typical "dumb designer low contrast low quality" outlet. :)

tablet 7y ago
This would be too much :)

cdevs 7y ago

Pretty cool stuff, i know ive asked for some of these features as my team uses asana for as much as we can and jira was super slow and clunky back in the day - though i checked it out recently and it seems like a much better experience. In the tool the modals could really use a X button to close the modal, the 2 or 3 seconds i second guessed where to click each time was annoying. It would be cool to discover if asana had some of these features all of a sudden but i think putting so many features front and center is going to hurt your adoption. Slack for instances can be easily underused as simply a chat application, later on the tech guy shows up and starts dropping in chat bots and cool helpers and what not. The relationship stuff is pretty cool i hope i dig more into this stuff later. Also are you guys planning on expanding the signup options beyond google/microsoft? it was easy for me to signup just curious how much of a roadblock that is to the rest of the internet.

tablet 7y ago
Thank you for the feedback. There is always hard balance between power and simplicity. It is remain to be seen how we handled it. Email signup is in near plans, it was just much easier to start with Google/Microsoft signup to not be responsible for passwords.