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> good practical reasons The only reasoning I have seen on this subject so far has been "people are special" or "God made me". Sometimes the arguments are dres

> good practical reasons The only reasoning I have seen on this subject so far has been "people are special" or "God made me". Sometimes the arguments are dressed up more. Do you have a good source that has a different type of reasoning? Edit: > You can only test for the appearance of subjective experience Yes, and we solve this in people by assuming that if they sound, act and look like a person they are a person. I've never seen a compelling argument why it is somehow wrong to apply this principle to everything else, except of course the huge trouble philosophers go to to then argue what exactly needs to be looked at before we are satisfied. For some reason the Turing test is not adequate, but to my mind it's only not accurate if you believe that you are somehow special and that there is more to you than what can be observed.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
> For some reason the Turing test is not adequate Let's say I build a chatbot with a predetermined database of perfect responses to every possible string of words. This is quite clearly possible in theory, given a database with infinite room. This chatbot would pass the touring test, even though all it's doing is retrieving prewritten sentences. Is it conscious? Ergo, it's quite clearly possible to build an automaton which acts like a human, but actually has no clue what it's saying. Which means the touring test isn't adequate. --- Here's another take: You have no proof that anyone in the universe is conscious other than yourself. However, given that you were born in the same way as everyone else, and you're conscious, everyone else probably is too. Why would you be so special? Well, a computer program was not born in the same way that you were, so that assumption goes out the window.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >Let's say I build a chatbot with a predetermined database of perfect responses to every possible string of words. This is quite clearly possible in theory, given a database with infinite room. This chatbot would pass the touring test, even though all it's doing is retrieving prewritten sentences. Is it conscious? For all intents and purposes, yes. Though without actual consciousness it would be impossible to build it. >Well, a computer program was not born in the same way that you were, so that assumption goes out the window. Well, a computer airflow program was also not created in the same way as actual air, but it can simulate it to the degree that we use it to build actual planes. A computer program might not have been 'born' in the same way that we are, but we can make it simulate the "way that we are" (giving enough computer power, down to the atom or quantum element). So?
- krageon 7y ago
  You have succeeded in making the "people" are special argument twice. I think that sort of underlines my point. Human supremacist arguments are not convincing to me.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

> For some reason the Turing test is not adequate Let's say I build a chatbot with a predetermined database of perfect responses to every possible string of words. This is quite clearly possible in theory, given a database with infinite room. This chatbot would pass the touring test, even though all it's doing is retrieving prewritten sentences. Is it conscious? Ergo, it's quite clearly possible to build an automaton which acts like a human, but actually has no clue what it's saying. Which means the touring test isn't adequate. --- Here's another take: You have no proof that anyone in the universe is conscious other than yourself. However, given that you were born in the same way as everyone else, and you're conscious, everyone else probably is too. Why would you be so special? Well, a computer program was not born in the same way that you were, so that assumption goes out the window.

coldtea 7y ago
>Let's say I build a chatbot with a predetermined database of perfect responses to every possible string of words. This is quite clearly possible in theory, given a database with infinite room. This chatbot would pass the touring test, even though all it's doing is retrieving prewritten sentences. Is it conscious? For all intents and purposes, yes. Though without actual consciousness it would be impossible to build it. >Well, a computer program was not born in the same way that you were, so that assumption goes out the window. Well, a computer airflow program was also not created in the same way as actual air, but it can simulate it to the degree that we use it to build actual planes. A computer program might not have been 'born' in the same way that we are, but we can make it simulate the "way that we are" (giving enough computer power, down to the atom or quantum element). So?
krageon 7y ago
You have succeeded in making the "people" are special argument twice. I think that sort of underlines my point. Human supremacist arguments are not convincing to me.