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Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished
- mindfulplay 7y agoBitcoin is no different. It's just a scam on a much longer timescale.
- Findeton 7y agoSomeone did not put 100 usd in bitcoin in 2010 and hodl it. Anyway, fiat currencies are a scam, on a much longer timescale. How much was 1 usd in 1900 in comparison to 1 usd today?
- tshanmu 7y agoFaith is the only difference between scam and valuable. USD/CAD is also just paper blessed by a central bank..
- Nasrudith 7y agoGovernment currencies have a concrete function - if you are legally required to pay taxes in it that gives it a very concrete value of being needed to operate legitimately in a country. That makes it very different from just faith even taking the most cynical possible view of governments - even if a complete collapse in faith would undermine it greatly.
- bsaul 7y agoThat and the government is paying all its employees salaries with that money, and it accepts paiements with that currency too. It’s what all the crypto currency people completely misunderstand whenever they’re bringing the « every currency is a matter of trust ». Indeed, ultimately paper is just paper, but the guarantees and legal bindings behind that paper are what makes it easier to grant « trust » and thus value.
- edoo 7y agoThe constitution allowed for the government to coin currency. Literally out of metals. That was gamed with tickets for gold, aka dollars. That was gamed even further by removing it from the gold standard. That causes weird things like the metal value of the coin being worth more than the face value and a bunch of news stories about how it is illegal to melt down your worth less coins. We now effectively have communist economic spending where the banks get to print and loan currency to the government and other groups that get to front run the inflation it causes and massively pull forward demand in a way that would not be naturally possible without the ability to skim from everyone. This system is what devalues all capital savings by 3-6% per year, effectively shutting down the ability to save capital and hence real capitalism. Technology by definition causes deflation. Everything should be getting cheaper, not more expensive. The inflation sucks those gains away from the workers and society like a vampire. It is why my generation makes on average half as much as my parents generation, which on average made half as much the previous generation. A hard currency removes that burden. The minimum wage in 1950 was $30/hour in today's purchasing power.
- notahacker 7y agoReal GDP per capita in 1950 was around the $2k mark, and things like cars and televisions were still out of the reach of the average person, never mind those on minimum wage. You have to be incredibly stupid, or more likely trolling, to believe that generation - which was an inch shorter than ours due to poorer nutrition and had an average lifespan a decade shorter - enjoyed four times our average wealth. A lot of the investment that got us here depended on people actually having some incentive not to bury their dollars in the ground.
- shrubble 7y agoU.S. GDP per capita in 1950 was $9573, according to a web search. In 1953 or so my parents rented their first house as newlyweds. For $10 per month. Minimum wage was 75 cents/hour. My parents definitely had a used car... So 14 hours labor at minimum wage, paid the rent...compare that to today.
- tsimionescu 7y agoIt's even more than that. You are legally required to accept the national currency for the settlement of debts. If you are a US entity and we have a contract where I owe you 1 btc, you must accept the equivalent amount of dollars as settlement of the debt. You are allowed to accept payments in different currencies, or even barter, but you can't require them.
- beerandt 7y agoThat's not entirely true. It's perfectly legal to specify contractual terms of payment, including what form it must take. It's only when the form of payment isn't specified, that dollars must accepted, by default. If our contract was specifically for 1 BTC, it's legal to demand 1 BTC, and to otherwise sue for breach of contract. After all, how else would a contract for currency exchange be enforced? If you owed me 1 btc because I paid you 1.02 btc in dollars (2% transaction fee), it would make no sense to allow you to simply repay me with the equivalent of 1 btc in dollars, and consider that to be a settled debt.
- svaigs 7y agoThat is not true for UK where there are different pounds which are printed by different banks. Some of these pounds are NOT LEGAL - you are free to refuse accept them. They are there because people agree to use them. And no - money has nothing to do with taxes and initially it was based on social agreement. Pacific stone coins weight tonns - some of the ones that are still in use physically do not exist anymore or are inaccessible in the bottom of ocean. So from that viewpoint these cryptocurrencies all are like early monies - based on agreements and trust. And ffs - people are weird these days - money is worth only when dealing with other people - taxes(earliest form of robbery) is not and wont be one of the reasons for money to exist. Goverment, that takes care for people and decide what they have to do and think don't need money to run society. Money is needed when independent people/souzerains deal with other people - slaves and children and sick/unsane dependant people and pet animals do not need money as they have no voice in these matters
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- rndgermandude 7y agoNot exactly. Money used to be backed by something valuable like gold (while the gold itself was mostly faith-based valueable). These days, it is backed by debt. Money comes into existence in some federal bank/central bank out of thin air, and is then put into circulation by granting loans i.e. creating debt. So money was and is really an IOU. And governments guarantee that you will be able to collect on it, one way or another. crypto on the other hand comes into existence either by proof of work (work that cannot be recovered and it lost forever and therefore worthless) or blind faith, with not even an IOU backing it.
- ric2b 7y ago> (work that cannot be recovered and it lost forever and therefore worthless) That work secures all the transactions that came before it, it's certainly not worthless. > with not even an IOU backing it. That is not backing, it's just a promise that you'll get your faith-based paper back.
- rmtech 7y agoComments like this help the scammers.
- bitL 7y agoMy bet is she was a front for some Eastern EU or EEU mafia group and now rests in a concrete-filled barrel at the bottom of Black Sea, with all the money taking multiple round trips through off-shore banks, never to be found by their MLM "investors" again.
- xwdv 7y agoWas my thought as well. It’s a shame they killed her off, she seemed like a nice woman despite it all. Who knows if that kind of life was even worth it. Seems like by the time you find out, you’re already in too deep and have to keep going.
- Mar_1 7y agoIn 2016, Ruja Ignatova and her father pleaded guilty to and were convicted on multiple fraud charges, including fraudulent accounting in order to bankrupt a German foundry for personal gain.
- thu2111 7y agoYou don't actually know she's dead. "Disappeared" can mean a lot of different things, depending a lot on how hard people looked and the assumptions they made.
- jacquesm 7y agoWith the number of enemies made, the fact that she stands out and the fact that she knows a lot about the higher ups the chances of her walking around free are rather low, and the chances of her sleeping with the fishes probably better than even. How she ever thought she would walk away from this all scot-free is a mystery to me.
- Klinky 7y agoThis just seems like speculation based on watching mafia movies. The article speculates she's alive. The Ignatov family seems involved in various frauds, so I wouldn't view her as an innocent woman who got in too deep. She knew what she as doing and has family connections. Also I am not sure what "she stands out" even means. Is this a way of saying she's not white? That's not really a problem. In a ton of EMEA countries she'd blend right in.
- anm89 7y agoEverything else aside, this article has an unbelievable amount of typos for a mainstream publication
- osrec 7y agoSeems to be common with BBC articles lately. I read their tennis pages often, and it amazes me how often they get the winner of a match wrong! It's almost as if the reviewer has no context when checking through the article.
- yahwrong 7y agoProbably AI written content.
- osrec 7y agoI don't think the content is AI generated, but I know for sure their Brexit articles get a tonne of bots spamming the comments section.
- retrac 7y agoAll journalism seems to be suffering from this more. With the financial crunch the sector is facing, who can afford a copy editor?
- daodedickinson 7y agoWell, it seems to me that they can only get more likely from here?
- LouisSayers 7y agoSteals billions of dollars then catches a RyanAir flight?! RyanAir has to be the most budget airline I’ve ever been on...
- bitL 7y agoShe got hold of a "big passport"; to me that implies some mafia/secret service was involved and she likely wanted to blend in with her new identity.
- TimTayshun 7y agoMy sources say that she acquired a real passport with real photo and fake identity from corrupt, but "legitimate" sources in Ukraine.
- tinco 7y agoIt's also the airline that you could get on any day of the week and go to wherever in Europe with no fuss.
- growt 7y agoWhy, with all that money, didn't they simply buy a Blockchain? It's not hard, fork bitcoin, build something on Ethereum. Or did it simply not matter for the pyramid scheme? If in the end they had a crappy Blockchain and the investors would have gotten their coins, would they've been guilty of anything?
- hyper_reality 7y agoIt seems like they tried, but no blockchain expert would go near it because it was so clearly a Ponzi-type scheme. Just look at the website: http://web.archive.org/web/20150302021347/http://www.onecoin.eu/ http://web.archive.org/web/20150302021347/http://www.onecoin...
- hondadriver 7y agoReminds me of https://timeai.io/ https://timeai.io/ I thought these companies only existed in movies... But obviously they got their inspiration somewhere. (Yes 'they' can intentionally be read both ways)
- selimthegrim 7y agoThat website looks and reads like they’re selling some high end Breitling or Patek Philippe
- hondadriver 7y agoNo not watches, 'quantum' cryptography. More background: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/09/crown_sterling_.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/09/crown_sterlin...
- dmix 7y agoOne of the articles mention he speaks at something called CPAK which looks like some psuedo-science new agey non-sense forum: "Conference of Precession and Ancient Knowledge". https://cpakonline.com/ https://cpakonline.com/ Robert Grant is listed as a: "Polymath and Expert in Sonic Geometry" I love this stuff, look at all of the listed "experts" each with books published ("Sacred Cosmology of Ancient Egypt"). Humans are so weird.
- djhworld 7y agoThis is basically a write-up of the entire Missing CryptoQueen podcast if anyone didn't get a chance to listen. Almost reads like a transcription in a way....
- ryanlol 7y ago>Another tip he gives us is to find out where she has been on her yacht. We should try to get the tracker off it, he says, and he doesn't appear to be joking. I explain that this is probably beyond my abilities (apart from being illegal) Uh, why would this be illegal? Is flightaware illegal? Or the yacht tracking sites?
- wlll 7y agoYacht nav systems can log where you have been, but a small minority of ships will permanently log their location somewhere publicly accessible. To get the data you'd need to get onto the yacht to access the nav system.
- imglorp 7y agoEven small private vessels have AIS these days, especially if nicely appointed. Of course, the transponder can be turned off if you want to avoid any ... Imperial entanglements.
- wlll 7y agoThey're mostly AIS receivers for the smaller vessels rather than tranceivers, but yes, that is true (for a boat the size I'd estimate this was it likely had a tranceiver). You also can very easily turn AIS off onboard if you don't want to be tracked, whereas there's less danger of someone sneaking onboard to look at the nav system so that might have been left on. edit I just re-read your comment and realised I missed most of it somehow. It's late here, and you were spot on, sorry! edit edit Also, It's an older code sir, but it checks out.
- ryanlol 7y agoLots of yacht spotting sites and other OSINT sources you could use to track a vessel that doesn’t broadcast its location.
- wlll 7y agoWhat sort of resources are there? I wasn't aware of any.
- djhworld 7y agoAnother aspect of the OneCoin scam is they targeted people from the Muslim community by using a fake certificate/endorsement that suggested OneCoin was Sharia compliant.
- stef25 7y agoCause they just wanted another way to end up getting killed.
- Kovah 7y agoI can remember OneCoin back in the day. And I also remember that when visiting their website, my first though was "this must be a gigantic scam!" It was kinda obvious. Unbelievable that people fell for this. But like with all pyramid schemes or similar scams, they target a very specific sort of people.
- hef19898 7y agoIt was 2017 (or 2018, I am not sure) when I stumbled over a similar scam, albeit at smaller scale. They sold Swedish government backed crypto currency, back when the Swedish government thought about it. Website looked legit, so I registered and had nice call. Didn't buy anything in the end because it was just fishy. Saw the Facebook ads for a couple of months after that. Police said they investigated, but could find any entity behind the ad and closed the investigation. About 30 minutes on Google turned up a British registered company behind it, and that in fact it was a scam. So I am not surprised she got away with it, police seems to be pretty helpless when it come to scams like that and cybercrime in general.
- Jd 7y agoI had several interactions with governmental agencies and local police regarding cybercrime recently and in all cases each group said they had no resources to help. My local deputy sheriff was really nice though...
- jcora 7y agoWhat kind of people? Just gullible or something more specific?
- sukilot 7y agostupid + immoral. You need both to get scammed.
- wool_gather 7y agoNot being stupid is no defense against being conned. On the contrary, a truly stupid mark isn't going to understand the scheme; an intelligent person will immediately see the way they stand to benefit. It's the willingness to cheat that gets you in trouble. Check out The Big Con by David Maurer
- fergie 7y agoGreat podcast. It fizzles out a bit in the end, but still well worth a listen. FWIW the podcast ends up being more of a critique of MLM schemes in general rather than Ruja Ignatova herself (although she is certainly a crook). The last episode is also interesting as it highlights the motivations of the whistleblowers- these people are mostly speaking out against OneCoin because they are promoting competing sh*tcoin schemes rather than because of any objection in principle to the idea of marketing rubbish to vulnerable people. See also "The strange religion of cryptocurrency", where the same journalist talks about OneCoin (and money in general) as a religion. Very interesting. https://audioboom.com/posts/7386285-the-strange-religion-of-cryptocurrency https://audioboom.com/posts/7386285-the-strange-religion-of-...
- dannylandau 7y agoPainful to read, and realize that even minor ICO's can potentially do substantial harm especially when investors come from the African continent where even small sums of money represents their life savings and assets.
- Mar_1 7y agoFor extensive coverage of OneCoin scam since 2015, see https://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/ https://behindmlm.com/companies/onecoin/ Also, US lawyer Mark Scott was convicted earlier this week of money laundering for OneCoin: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50509299 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50509299
- Lucadg 7y agoa week ago I passed in front the One Coin shop in Sofia. It was open. I was surprised as It had been closed for a long time. I had listened to the BBC podcast and was curious so I tried to enter. It was locked and a lady came to open. There were a couple of people, maybe customers. There were books, CDs and other material. I stayed two minutes and head to the exit. The door was locked and the lady came to open. That's all. It felt weird.
- LegitShady 7y agothis is how people die in fires, fyi.
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- TimTayshun 7y agoJournalist Nikolai Stroyanov from Sofia's Kapitol (newspaper) took the following photos a few days ago, on Nov. 21, indicating what seemed to be a clearing out of the Onecoin offices: https://twitter.com/Svrakata/status/1197494888457293824 https://twitter.com/Svrakata/status/1197494888457293824
- Lucadg 7y agoMaybe a renovation for a new grand opening? Although improbable nothing surprises me anymore in this story.
- trpc 7y agoThanks to these con artists and careless big investors like SoftBank, once the recession comes, blockchain, AI, etc... will go into another long winter
- Avalaxy 7y agoI don't think it's fair to put blockchain and AI on the same pile.
- jacquesm 7y agoDangerously ambiguous comment. Or a very subtle attempt at humor.
- netsharc 7y agoThere's just too much money swimming around nowadays looking for good ROI (thanks to government austerity and quantitative easing..), so even stupid things like recipe subscriptions or illegal taxis are being valued at billions of dollars. Arguably the world's economy is a Ponzi scheme anyway, but the people in control of it will do anything to keep the smoke-and-mirrors-show running.
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- sjreese 7y agoOnly she was heading to a very public event in Portugal - a bitcoin evangelist. A history of good education and fully understood bitcoin ( but like Jimmy Hoffa ) She is being defined as if she had 3 million bitcoin in her handbag at the time of her kidnapping and murder.
- angry_octet 7y agoTLDR: A fool and their money are soon parted, in this case by a pyramid scheme with crypto currency flavouring.
- angry_octet 7y agoOh no the crypto bois are mad at me.
- tlogan 7y agoMy experience with OneCoin is that people who were involved in it were shady and trying get less shady people on the board. That was back in 2016 / 2017. At least in Eastern Europe, it was going like this (translation): The "master scammer" created a platform for "wannabe scammers" to scam others. But the master is the master. Typical ponzi scheme: everybody knew but they were hoping the get bigger sucker.
- helpPeople 7y agoMy question, are there innocent stupid people? Or did every investor want a get rich quick sheme?
- maxh- 7y agoThere are, my friend was one. They did very big events that appeared very serious in my city. If nobody taught you about MLM, and you don't have any knowledge about cryptocurrency but you definitely don't want to miss out on the next Bitcoin, I can see how you would fall for it.
- dghughes 7y agoSo many people have said to me "you're into computers" how do they get into this Bitcoin thing. I said there's a lot too it and explain any of it their eyes glaze over. They just want to put down $100 and make millions in a week with no effort. I remember when Bitcoin was cheap as hell I think it was $1 bought you 1,000 Bitcoins so I am no Bitcoin expert or I would be a billionaire. Yes I dream of having some on an old hard drive (I'm sure we all do).
- danielfoster 7y agoThis. I feel bad for the people who were scammed but my sympathy is limited. It seems most just wanted an easy way to get rich and didn’t want to ask the obvious.
- TimTayshun 7y agoPhilosophically, Onecoin plagiarized so much from early bitcoin (ie., "bank the unbanked," "take money away from the banking structures & Govt.'s," etc). Victims had mostly no tech background, whatsoever, and had been told that "decentralized" meant crime and anonymity, which they perceived as a bad thing which Onecoin's "centralized model" prevented. They didn't know the usefulness or cruciality of even a block explorer. So, for some, there were "fundamental reasons" for a cryptocurrency (sic) like Onecoin, in addition to the speculative nature of (real) cryptos, in general.
- bitcurious 7y ago>Even the most obscure entry or innocuous comment on a forum is usually saved somewhere, and with enough digging can be found. You've heard of Google, but there are several other search engines that specialise in this. That's a very interesting throwaway line; anyone know what those products are?
- jobigoud 7y agoYeah, at some point Google had an option to search specifically in groups and forums but they killed it. I would also very much like a forum-specific search engine, very often I'm looking for discussion about a subject rather than the subject itself. Ideally it would source from forums, reddit/HN/Digg and the like, comments directly under articles/blogs, Wikipedia talk pages, archives of newsgroups, mailing lists, Google groups and Yahoo groups, etc.
- Gigablah 7y agoThe Wayback Machine would fit the bill.
- elliekelly 7y agoFor reddit there’s the Pushshift API[1] that archives posts & comments at or around the time of submission. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/bcxguf/new_to_pushshift_read_this_faq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/bcxguf/new_to_pu...
- imglorp 7y agoThe parent scam company, OneLife, still has a webpage up: https://www.onelife.eu/en https://www.onelife.eu/en however its official denial of OneCoin wrong-doing is a 503. Fortunately, that denial, a glorious work on its own, can be seen in cache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.onelife.eu/en/news/corporate-announcement https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https:...
- pookeh 7y agoSeems to work for me https://www.onelife.eu/en/news/corporate-announcement https://www.onelife.eu/en/news/corporate-announcement
- pg_is_a_butt 7y agoi got 503
- NilsIRL 7y agoWorks for me as well
- neom 7y agosome of the onelife stuff on youtube is truly mind blowing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vsYNYfhV_M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vsYNYfhV_M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSttmDabLc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSttmDabLc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ab5_I_HysM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ab5_I_HysM
- noneeeed 7y agoSadly OneLife seems to be powering on. The most depressing part of listening to that podcast was the last episode, when they went to somewhere in Africa (I forget where), and talked to people getting caught up in it. It's spread around the world and is drawing people in everywhere.
- djhworld 7y agoUganda, it's in the article about 3/4 of the way down
- rv-de 7y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=638_Jpp2Rq8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=638_Jpp2Rq8 :D ... cringe-inducing to the point it could gag a maggot ...
- Mar_1 7y agoIf you are ready for some more cringe, take a look how the ghu-neh-ses block for blockchain v2 was "mined" live, instantly doubling the coin balance for several million members and raising the circulating supply of OneCoin from 2 billion to 120 billions, because that's how cryptos run in the Ponzi land: https://youtu.be/1x7gur0JgkY?t=378 https://youtu.be/1x7gur0JgkY?t=378
- TimTayshun 7y agoExcerpts: "And now it starts blinking guys!" (because just BEFORE a block is solved the counter indicates "you're almost there" by blinking. LMFAO!!) "GO! GO! GO! MINE!"
- CheesecakeFred 7y agoSomehow there seems to be a fundamental difference in cognition between me and these people getting scammed like that. I cannot even begin to imagine the mindset, filter bubble, delusions one must suffer to not see right through a scam like that from the first second... I guess greed makes some people really stupid?
- jessaustin 7y agoMcKinsey...
- praeconium 7y ago"I did the calculation how many coins we needed to become the richest person on the planet," Igor says. "I said to Andreea, 'We need to build it up to 100 million coins, because when this coin goes to €100 and we have 100 million, we are richer than Bill Gates.' It's mathematic. It's easy as that." Great math-guy.. wonder where he got info on Gates wealth.
- kingcobraninja 7y agoNot really though because they would have a lot of trouble converting all those coins to another currency at that exchange rate. Once they started selling, demand at that price would be met and the bidding price would fall.
- colejohnson66 7y agoThat argument doesn’t really work. Measuring coins in their current value, not their theoretical value is used in other situations too. Specifically stocks. You can possibly sell $1b of stocks and expect to get $1b.
- Swenrekcah 7y agoExcept that you can. It will take some time and/or you need to do some work to find buyers, but people can and do. Because (most) stocks are backed by real world companies that have real world value.
- ivalm 7y agoMore like 100M * 100 = 10 B < Gates
- smabie 7y agoSure, but mark-to-market is a commonly used method of valuing assets. Of course what you’re saying is true, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with valuing a portfolio like this. Even with real currency, you can’t directly measure value in another currency for the reasons you gave. So it’s probably just a better idea to ignore slippage and bid-ask bread when talking about value.
- johnpowell 7y agoI torrent a lot of TV shows. And American Greed popped up a lot. I always dismissed the show until they they recently did a ep on the Fyre festival. I consume every bit of media about the Fyre festival. I Watched the ep about it. Then I saw that American greed is actually one of the best shows on TV. So I set Sonarr to grab every episode. It grabbed 114 of them. And I have now watched them all all. But 80% of the episodes deal with Ponzi schemes claiming unrealistic returns. Part of me feels bad for the people. The other part doesn't since they think they can get a 5% return a month. If you can do 5% a month wall street will toss trillions at you.
- Edmond 7y ago>Then I saw that American greed is actually one of the best shows on TV. It is:) Over the years I have watched every episode and now have status of "All caught up" Hulu.
- orf 7y agoIs Sonarr good? I use plex and some manual steps, but it looks interesting from their website alone.
- wil421 7y agoAbsolutely. Automate TV downloads, pick the quality, pick the language if you want, and let it do its thing. If it’s not in your Usenet/Plex pipeline you need to add it. There’s one for movies called Radarr and one for music called Lidarr. I’ve found them less useful and don’t use them but it’s worth a try.
- BrandoElFollito 7y agoWhy do you find radarr less useful? With jackett you can use the same interface as sonarr to an indexer. They are very similar in concepts too (radarr is based on sonarr). The only truly missing feature is the ability to request a movie in another language. Radarr is strictly one language per movie.
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- alexnewman 7y agoSo I work in crypto hcaptcha.com. And it feels as though beyond money laundering and flim flam, people have left all the innovation to me. Blockchain, especially ethereum is incredibly cool tech if you can deal with the learning curve. It's got built in PKI, a decent consensus mechanism and with IPFS/IPNS tagging data and hashing it back to the blockchain is easy. There's a common trope, the problem isn't [insert programming language like python or java] . It's the [programming lang] programmers. The same is true with blockchain. Very few people with reputations and skills wanna go into this field because of these scammers.
- blueadept111 7y agoShe performed the valuable economic function of separating fools from their money.
- ganitarashid 7y agoFunny thing is I know of of at least two other women that currently call themselves Crypto Queen, or a variation of that, who are doing the TED circuit and similar.
- calibas 7y agoI briefly worked for this group of people who were supposed to be launching a new cryptocurrency right at the peak of all the hype. It was promised to be this next generation technology that was going to make everyone involved rich, and it would never drop below $2 USD a coin. It was also supposed to be part of this new paradigm for society that would usher in a Golden Age. Only problem was, every single thing I mentioned above was complete nonsense. The cryptocurrency didn't actually exist, and despite having multiple "crypto experts", nobody really understood how a blockchain actually worked. I quit after I started to see what was really going on, though everything smelled fishy from the beginning.
- orf 7y ago> "I did the calculation how many coins we needed to become the richest person on the planet," Igor says. "I said to Andreea, 'We need to build it up to 100 million coins, because when this coin goes to €100 and we have 100 million, we are richer than Bill Gates.' It's mathematic. It's easy as that." There is an argument to be made here that someone who is that irresponsible, or frankly stupid, has only themselves to blame.
- steven_is_false 7y agoAnyone else feel buying drugs online is a relatively more legitimate use than most of what crypto is promoted for?
- stef25 7y agoThere's other uses than buying drugs online?
- rwmurrayVT 7y agoYou can also buy all the tools and materials for fraud !!
- hatmatrix 7y agoWhy can't they subpoena the lawyer husband? Presumably he knows her whereabouts because of their baby.
- sokoloff 7y agoIn the US spouses cannot be compelled to testify about/against the other. I assume this would include a location question. Not sure of laws elsewhere.
- blockchainbelvr 7y agoThe comments here are disgusting. Lots of innocent people got scammed, and deserve sympathy, not ridicule. And scams aside, I still believe cryptocurrency and blockchain technology is the future, and we are in a post-dotcom like lull in the space. 10 years from now, you'll all be kicking yourselves for not loading up on crypto at the bottom.
- insta_anon 7y agoJust out of curiosity: say you've recently stolen more than $1B from various people, some of whom might have a somewhat shady background - how would you disappear in this time where everything is electronically tracked, you have instagram, facebook, forums etc.?
- jasomill 7y agoDisguise my appearance. Assume a cover identity. Start a new life. If social media use is required, create new accounts.