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Any recommendations? This looks bad really bad. Cybergoast a previous VPN bought by Kape went to shit. For the Pia engineer who ends up reading this. I have bi

Any recommendations? This looks bad really bad. Cybergoast a previous VPN bought by Kape went to shit. For the Pia engineer who ends up reading this. I have bin a Pia user for 5+ years. I have recommended it to friends and family. Now I have to tell them all to cancel.

jsilence 7y ago
Mulvad seems to be a good option.
- mirimir 7y ago
  Agreed, this looks really bad. And Mullvad is a good option. So are AirVPN, Insorg and IVPN. Edit: For background, see https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466203/Top-VPNs-secretly-owned-by-Chinese-firms https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466203/Top-VPNs-secre...
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y ago
  Tunnelbear as well. I'm not a customer of either, just been researching alternatives since tis news hit earlier this week.
  - nickflood 7y ago
    Tunnelbear is owned by McAfee https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/tunnelbear_joins_mcafee/ https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/tunnelbear_joins_mcafee/
  - aasasd 7y ago
    IIRC Tunnelbear is known to sell info on the clients. It's not a fringe story to my knowledge, but alas I don't have links on me currently.
- rndgermandude 7y ago
  Seconded. It's Mullvad, tho, not Mulvad ;) I have been a customer since a while and cannot complain. They support wireguard, which is nice, and of course plain OpenVPN connections, but offer apps for various platforms too. They do not pay for reviews, which is nice (and quite telling that other do), they are own by to Swedish guys. Their price is a €5/month (for simultaneous 5 VPN connections, no data caps) and you can pay in cash* or bitcoin if you want. And no, I am not paid or otherwise compensated to write this, or affiliated with them other then being a customer. [*] They even say: "Please avoid writing your name or address on the envelope."
  - bloopernova 7y ago
    > bitcoin Do they take any other cryptocurrencies, or would I have to convert some other coin into bitcoin to pay them? OpenVPN is nice, since my OpenWRT router can be a client. EDIT: I emailed Mullvad and received a reply within 15 minutes! and it answered my questions accurately! I think they win the customer service award for today :D
    - iudqnolq 7y ago
      What was the answer?
      - bloopernova 7y ago
        Bitcoin or bitcoin cash are accepted payment methods. They have openvpn instructions for openwrt at https://mullvad.net/en/help/openwrt-routers-and-mullvad-vpn/ https://mullvad.net/en/help/openwrt-routers-and-mullvad-vpn/ And their clients are open source: https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app (sorry for not replying earlier!)
- KitDuncan 7y ago
  Can vouch for Mullvad. A happy customer for years. There customer service is great!
starbugs 7y ago
Just cancelled my subscription. Looking for alternatives now. Is NordVPN any good?
- cosmojg 7y ago
  NordVPN is a security nightmare. I usually recommend either Mullvad or TunnelBear depending on whether you care more about quality of service or ease of use.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - newswasboring 7y ago
    I use NordVPN, didn't know it had a bad reputation (purchased it because of a promotional offer). Care to elaborate?
    - Eremotherium 7y ago
      The problem with NordVPN isn't that they had a breach and their keys were leaked (ok, well that is huge fucking problem) due to a forgotten KVM but that they didn't fess up till 18 months later when some independent researcher brought that to light.
      - ILikeOwls 7y ago
        Also they spend huge amounts of money on advertisement and their promotions contain lots of misinformation.
  - ilamont 7y ago
    TunnelBear was acquired by McAfee last year.
- jimnotgym 7y ago
  Proton VPN seems to work well, although the privacy advantages of being in Switzerland seem to have eroded over time.
mackrevinack 7y ago
they looked bad long before this. I don't know why this story didn't get me attention: https://vpnpro.com/blog/confusion-in-the-vpn-industry-is-nordvpn-being-defamed/ https://vpnpro.com/blog/confusion-in-the-vpn-industry-is-nor... someone from PIA's patent company was caught trying to smear other VPN's but forgot to hide his profile image.
- donarb 7y ago
  > Is NordVPN being defamed? Any article on the internet that uses a question mark in the headline is either clickbait or dealing in suppositions, not facts.
  - afx 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...
kome 7y ago
I love this one: https://airvpn.org/ https://airvpn.org/ "A VPN based on OpenVPN and operated by activists and hacktivists in defence of net neutrality, privacy and against censorship."
- monkin 7y ago
  Yes, +1 for AirVPN and their client Eddie which is in complete rewrite mode now, so we can expect awesome things. :)
  - gravitas 7y ago
    In this space is also https://riseup.net/en/vpn https://riseup.net/en/vpn but I dislike they want you to use their custom client, just rubs me wrong.
icelancer 7y ago
Cryptostorm.is and ProtonVPN. Mullvad is good too.
bn7t 7y ago
Can wholeheartedly recommend https://ipredator.se https://ipredator.se There are real privacy enthusiaists behind ipredator.
dvosar34 7y ago
So dramatic! I'm sure it is quite a burden on your soul having to tell all your little friends and family to cancel! Oh, the tears!

jsilence 7y ago

Mulvad seems to be a good option.

mirimir 7y ago
Agreed, this looks really bad. And Mullvad is a good option. So are AirVPN, Insorg and IVPN. Edit: For background, see https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466203/Top-VPNs-secretly-owned-by-Chinese-firms https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252466203/Top-VPNs-secre...
Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y ago
Tunnelbear as well. I'm not a customer of either, just been researching alternatives since tis news hit earlier this week.
- nickflood 7y ago
  Tunnelbear is owned by McAfee https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/tunnelbear_joins_mcafee/ https://www.tunnelbear.com/blog/tunnelbear_joins_mcafee/
- aasasd 7y ago
  IIRC Tunnelbear is known to sell info on the clients. It's not a fringe story to my knowledge, but alas I don't have links on me currently.
rndgermandude 7y ago
Seconded. It's Mullvad, tho, not Mulvad ;) I have been a customer since a while and cannot complain. They support wireguard, which is nice, and of course plain OpenVPN connections, but offer apps for various platforms too. They do not pay for reviews, which is nice (and quite telling that other do), they are own by to Swedish guys. Their price is a €5/month (for simultaneous 5 VPN connections, no data caps) and you can pay in cash* or bitcoin if you want. And no, I am not paid or otherwise compensated to write this, or affiliated with them other then being a customer. [*] They even say: "Please avoid writing your name or address on the envelope."
- bloopernova 7y ago
  > bitcoin Do they take any other cryptocurrencies, or would I have to convert some other coin into bitcoin to pay them? OpenVPN is nice, since my OpenWRT router can be a client. EDIT: I emailed Mullvad and received a reply within 15 minutes! and it answered my questions accurately! I think they win the customer service award for today :D
  - iudqnolq 7y ago
    What was the answer?
    - bloopernova 7y ago
      Bitcoin or bitcoin cash are accepted payment methods. They have openvpn instructions for openwrt at https://mullvad.net/en/help/openwrt-routers-and-mullvad-vpn/ https://mullvad.net/en/help/openwrt-routers-and-mullvad-vpn/ And their clients are open source: https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app https://github.com/mullvad/mullvadvpn-app (sorry for not replying earlier!)
KitDuncan 7y ago
Can vouch for Mullvad. A happy customer for years. There customer service is great!

starbugs 7y ago

Just cancelled my subscription. Looking for alternatives now. Is NordVPN any good?

cosmojg 7y ago
NordVPN is a security nightmare. I usually recommend either Mullvad or TunnelBear depending on whether you care more about quality of service or ease of use.
- deleted 7y ago
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- newswasboring 7y ago
  I use NordVPN, didn't know it had a bad reputation (purchased it because of a promotional offer). Care to elaborate?
  - Eremotherium 7y ago
    The problem with NordVPN isn't that they had a breach and their keys were leaked (ok, well that is huge fucking problem) due to a forgotten KVM but that they didn't fess up till 18 months later when some independent researcher brought that to light.
    - ILikeOwls 7y ago
      Also they spend huge amounts of money on advertisement and their promotions contain lots of misinformation.
- ilamont 7y ago
  TunnelBear was acquired by McAfee last year.
jimnotgym 7y ago
Proton VPN seems to work well, although the privacy advantages of being in Switzerland seem to have eroded over time.

mackrevinack 7y ago

they looked bad long before this. I don't know why this story didn't get me attention: https://vpnpro.com/blog/confusion-in-the-vpn-industry-is-nordvpn-being-defamed/ https://vpnpro.com/blog/confusion-in-the-vpn-industry-is-nor... someone from PIA's patent company was caught trying to smear other VPN's but forgot to hide his profile image.

donarb 7y ago
> Is NordVPN being defamed? Any article on the internet that uses a question mark in the headline is either clickbait or dealing in suppositions, not facts.
- afx 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...

kome 7y ago

I love this one: https://airvpn.org/ https://airvpn.org/ "A VPN based on OpenVPN and operated by activists and hacktivists in defence of net neutrality, privacy and against censorship."

monkin 7y ago
Yes, +1 for AirVPN and their client Eddie which is in complete rewrite mode now, so we can expect awesome things. :)
- gravitas 7y ago
  In this space is also https://riseup.net/en/vpn https://riseup.net/en/vpn but I dislike they want you to use their custom client, just rubs me wrong.

icelancer 7y ago

Cryptostorm.is and ProtonVPN. Mullvad is good too.

bn7t 7y ago

Can wholeheartedly recommend https://ipredator.se https://ipredator.se There are real privacy enthusiaists behind ipredator.

dvosar34 7y ago

So dramatic! I'm sure it is quite a burden on your soul having to tell all your little friends and family to cancel! Oh, the tears!