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So you're going to downgrade from a 3/4 ton frame to something that falls between a dodge dakota and ram 1500... In other words you overbought and don't use th

by tw04 7y ago

So you're going to downgrade from a 3/4 ton frame to something that falls between a dodge dakota and ram 1500... In other words you overbought and don't use the diesel or the 3/4 ton frame? Because this is definitely NOT a replacement for that.

na85 7y ago
>In other words you overbought and don't use the diesel or the 3/4 ton frame? I think you just described 80% of truck owners.
- Aperocky 7y ago
  95%. Myself included.
- pcmoney 7y ago
  99%
- hindsightbias 7y ago
  Let some reverse marketing lose: Cybertruck: Not Your Urban Cowboy’s Truck
chrissnell 7y ago
The trimotor version claims to tow 14000+. A 2019 Ram 2500 tops out at around 19K, but my 2017 is a little less. The 2019 F150 tows about 11K. This truck is no Dodge Dakota. This sits between a half-ton and 3/4-ton truck.
- tw04 7y ago
  The single motor version is 7,500 lbs - almost exactly the same as a Dodge Dakota. The Tri-motor is 14k lbs, a 2019 F150 is 13,200 lbs. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/2019/features/capability/f150-towing-capacity/ https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/2019/features/capability/f1... I stand by my comment, this thing falls between a dodge dakota and a ram 1500.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    "The towing capacity of the 2019 Ford F-150 ranges from 5,000 lbs. to 13,200 lbs., depending on how the vehicle is configured.*" There is exactly one model of F150 that can tow 13,200. The other 47 models [1] mostly tow between 8-10,000 pounds. [1] - https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-xl/ https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-xl/
    - tw04 7y ago
      There’s exactly one model of cybertruck that tows 14k lbs. what’s your point?
      - zaroth 7y ago
        My point is it outperforms the top-end F150, just like Elon promised it would, while also beating a Porsche 911 in a drag race. Just like Elon promised it would. I haven’t done enough research on F-150 but I would guess it outperforms a more expensive F-150 at each of the 3 price points offered. And that’s before accounting for maintenance and fuel savings.
- m463 7y ago
  I suspect the electric motors will - in practical terms - tow vastly more than gas or diesel trucks. and they will get the energy back going downhill.
  - sawjet 7y ago
    It will ultimately be limited by it's cooling, as all Teslas have been. Can it manage long, steep grades while towing? Downhill, ICE motors can be driven by the wheels to preserve both fuel and brakes.
    - kube-system 7y ago
      If regenerative braking is good enough technology for trains, it ought to be good enough of a technology for a light truck. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_braking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_braking
      - arghwhat 7y ago
        Note that trains are a very different scenario due to not being battery powered. Many (most?) trains dump excess charge into the grid, meaning that it has no limitations on brake power nor capacity. Battery-powered vehicles have to protect their battery, limiting brake power to keep the battery cool, and brake duration as it cannot overcharge the battery. To compete with a train, a battery powered vehicle would need to implement rheostatic braking (i.e. brake resistors). Of course, conventional engine braking is not worth comparing to any of this, but I thought it was important to emphasize that trains ≠ cars.
        kube-system 7y ago
        Of course there are many differences between a train and a car. But the technology is exactly the same: apply an electrical load to a motor/generator and it will generate a braking force. The source of the load doesn’t really make a difference as long as it meets implementation requirements. (Perhaps maybe the most ironic way they could dump excess electricity could be by running the onboard air compressor — literally the same thing an ICE vehicle does to dump energy when engine braking: compressing air.) My point is that the technology is definitely a good fit for braking large loads.
2muchcoffeeman 7y ago
The vast majority of SUVs and trucks are bought to signal some sort of status or affiliation to a group. Just look at how clean these vehicles are. And some of the brands. Porsche SUV. Mercedes pickup. The people who actual use these class of vehicles for real have mud splashed over the vehicle and extra cans of petrol. They aren’t going to buy an unproven vehicle that you can’t refuel. They’ll probably make a killing with the Cybertruck.

by tw04 7y ago

na85 7y ago

>In other words you overbought and don't use the diesel or the 3/4 ton frame? I think you just described 80% of truck owners.

Aperocky 7y ago
95%. Myself included.
pcmoney 7y ago
99%
hindsightbias 7y ago
Let some reverse marketing lose: Cybertruck: Not Your Urban Cowboy’s Truck

chrissnell 7y ago

The trimotor version claims to tow 14000+. A 2019 Ram 2500 tops out at around 19K, but my 2017 is a little less. The 2019 F150 tows about 11K. This truck is no Dodge Dakota. This sits between a half-ton and 3/4-ton truck.

tw04 7y ago
The single motor version is 7,500 lbs - almost exactly the same as a Dodge Dakota. The Tri-motor is 14k lbs, a 2019 F150 is 13,200 lbs. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/2019/features/capability/f150-towing-capacity/ https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/2019/features/capability/f1... I stand by my comment, this thing falls between a dodge dakota and a ram 1500.
- zaroth 7y ago
  "The towing capacity of the 2019 Ford F-150 ranges from 5,000 lbs. to 13,200 lbs., depending on how the vehicle is configured.*" There is exactly one model of F150 that can tow 13,200. The other 47 models [1] mostly tow between 8-10,000 pounds. [1] - https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-xl/ https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-xl/
  - tw04 7y ago
    There’s exactly one model of cybertruck that tows 14k lbs. what’s your point?
    - zaroth 7y ago
      My point is it outperforms the top-end F150, just like Elon promised it would, while also beating a Porsche 911 in a drag race. Just like Elon promised it would. I haven’t done enough research on F-150 but I would guess it outperforms a more expensive F-150 at each of the 3 price points offered. And that’s before accounting for maintenance and fuel savings.
m463 7y ago
I suspect the electric motors will - in practical terms - tow vastly more than gas or diesel trucks. and they will get the energy back going downhill.
- sawjet 7y ago
  It will ultimately be limited by it's cooling, as all Teslas have been. Can it manage long, steep grades while towing? Downhill, ICE motors can be driven by the wheels to preserve both fuel and brakes.
  - kube-system 7y ago
    If regenerative braking is good enough technology for trains, it ought to be good enough of a technology for a light truck. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_braking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_braking
    - arghwhat 7y ago
      Note that trains are a very different scenario due to not being battery powered. Many (most?) trains dump excess charge into the grid, meaning that it has no limitations on brake power nor capacity. Battery-powered vehicles have to protect their battery, limiting brake power to keep the battery cool, and brake duration as it cannot overcharge the battery. To compete with a train, a battery powered vehicle would need to implement rheostatic braking (i.e. brake resistors). Of course, conventional engine braking is not worth comparing to any of this, but I thought it was important to emphasize that trains ≠ cars.
      - kube-system 7y ago
        Of course there are many differences between a train and a car. But the technology is exactly the same: apply an electrical load to a motor/generator and it will generate a braking force. The source of the load doesn’t really make a difference as long as it meets implementation requirements. (Perhaps maybe the most ironic way they could dump excess electricity could be by running the onboard air compressor — literally the same thing an ICE vehicle does to dump energy when engine braking: compressing air.) My point is that the technology is definitely a good fit for braking large loads.

2muchcoffeeman 7y ago

The vast majority of SUVs and trucks are bought to signal some sort of status or affiliation to a group. Just look at how clean these vehicles are. And some of the brands. Porsche SUV. Mercedes pickup. The people who actual use these class of vehicles for real have mud splashed over the vehicle and extra cans of petrol. They aren’t going to buy an unproven vehicle that you can’t refuel. They’ll probably make a killing with the Cybertruck.