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Does the US not have pedestrian safety standards? An all metal front grill must be horrible on any safety tests. I can only assume this is a joke and in a few
by Danieru 7y ago
Does the US not have pedestrian safety standards? An all metal front grill must be horrible on any safety tests.
I can only assume this is a joke and in a few hours Elon will do a "one more thing" before showing the real Tesla Pickup.
This take on a pickup looks like some engineer accidentally left their Halo fan-art on the shared CAD file server.
- smoovb 7y agoNot meant to be mainstream. It's meant to be f'ing tough and show how much of a beast the electric vehicle can be. Really takes the air out of being 'Built Ford Tough' Likely just following the Roadster play book. Get the toughness doubters out of the way, then a more traditional truck to follow.
- NamTaf 7y agoDoes it not being mainstream even matter, though? Because at least here in AU, and I believe in the EU, to even register it as roadworthy it needs to not compromise its collision protection which includes pedestrian collisions.
- orf 7y agoI don’t think it’s for those markets, at least certainly not the EU.
- NamTaf 7y agoNaturally. Even here in AU, the people that buy US-sized utes tend to be in the vast minority. I'm sure it's a negligable market that they can safely ignore, it was just an interesting thing to note as an outsider.
- jmmcd 7y agoI see Belgium as an option on the region-selection page at the front of the website.
- spoonernz 7y agoCan pre-order it from the UK, so there is at least intention of it ending up here. Also, I love it!
- snow_mac 7y agoEver seen a train pulled by a ford? I have. Built Ford Tough is TRUE
- zaroth 7y agoThe physics of pulling something with steel wheels on a steel track make the demo a lot less impressive than it sounds. To illustrate, consider that the world record for a single person towing a train by a strap held by their teeth is 280 tons.
- catalogia 7y agoHow fast you can accelerate that mass it is the real question.
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- benhurmarcel 7y agoYou can literally push a train car on flat ground by leaning on it long enough.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y agoDidn't Top Gear once pull a train with an MGF? I'm not sure this proves anything.
- ceejayoz 7y agoHumans can pull trains. There's plenty of video of that on YouTube. They're made to roll as effortlessly as possible. Here's a bunch of HO scale (1:87) trains pulling their full sized version, too: https://twitter.com/mrtimdunn/status/1101414657418498049 https://twitter.com/mrtimdunn/status/1101414657418498049
- indecisive_user 7y agoDon't Teslas have some sort of collision detection that will automatically apply brakes in case of an object in the road? And anyway, I'm not sure why an all metal grill would be worse than the grill guard (cow catcher) already present on a lot of trucks.
- xvector 7y agoTesla pedestrian collision warning is dangerously ineffective. It passes some tests with flying colors and completely fails other pedestrian safety tests. Plays into the inconsistent nature of autopilot.
- satanspastaroll 7y agoTo be honest, that is also a problem with human drivers
- pintxo 7y agoHence, regulations requiring specific designs to lessen the effects of a human being run over by a car.
- JaRail 7y agoIt's not an easy feature to test. A lot of magazines have used really fake looking inflatable or cardboard people. Radar systems are going to see those really well. Machine vision solutions may correctly classify the objects as non-human. You don't want your emergency breaks to go off every time a plastic bag floats in-front of your car. Then you have far more complex real-world situations like this one. The emergency breaking works correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3rmevP6XVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3rmevP6XVY I'm not sure what statistics are available for pedestrian collisions. Probably nothing short of deaths are reported reliably at the national level.
- hef19898 7y agoAs do a lot of other premium-brand cars, nothing special about it anymore.
- elamje 7y agoNot really. Many people in the south and more rural areas use large trucks as a daily driver. Many with custom front bumpers that are solid steel.
- GhostVII 7y agoSure, but a manufacturer couldn't sell a car with a solid steel bumper. In the US you have lots of freedom to modify your car after you buy it, but manufacturers have strict regulations.
- usrusr 7y agoAn interesting point: the oneupmanship game of aftermarket car customization will be the worst deficiency this thing has in terms of appealing to what I presume must be the target audience. Perhaps a radically modular interior could partially make up for the lack of exhaust systems etc to replace with custom counterparts? (the "back to the future air intakes" joke will get old very fast)
- kube-system 7y agoJust went to Jeep’s site. Steel front and rear bumpers are a $1,395 factory option on a 2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon.
- NamTaf 7y agoThat was my immediate thought. Granted, I've not watched the video as I'm at work so if it was covered then I've not seen it, but that thing looks like it has absolutely no crumple zones, and the lack of curved surfaces would cause horrific injury in a pedestrian collision.
- et2o 7y agoTesla Model S and 3 in terms of collision safety are the safest cars ever sold in America. There is a giant crumple zone where the engine would be in an ICE vehicle. The Cybertruck will be the same.
- loeg 7y agoThe model S and 3 are built almost exclusively from aluminum and aren't marketed like tanks.
- omgwtfbyobbq 7y agoMost of the 3 body is steel. I believe the fenders and frunk/trunk lids are aluminum. http://i.imgur.com/5dyII0Y.png http://i.imgur.com/5dyII0Y.png
- vincnetas 7y agoI guess for pedestrian impacts it does not matter what the frame is build from. It's the shell. Because if you (as pedestrian) already went through the aluminum shell, chances are you are already pretty much done :(
- danw1979 7y agoPedestrian or passenger safety ?
- adrr 7y agoNo they aren’t. Model 3 doesn’t score perfect in the all the IIHS injury categories which Mercedes, Lexus, and Volvo do for the vehicle class. It got the top pick but so did 15+ other models.
- Drunk_Engineer 7y agoDon't be ridiculous. The US has no pedestrian safety standards whatsoever. In a sane world, the NHTSA would have outlawed bull bars and required trucks to have sideguards.
- notatoad 7y agoI had to look this up because i figured you must be talking out of your ass, there had to be some pedestrian safety standards. but nope, apparently not. https://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/12/07/while-other-countries-mandate-safer-car-designs-for-pedestrians-america-does-nothing/ https://usa.streetsblog.org/2017/12/07/while-other-countries...
- xvector 7y agoI wish we could hold these regulators personally accountable for every pedestrian death that could have been prevented by safer regulations.
- ISL 7y agoThat's what the ballot box is for. You can. The regulator of the regulator is your legislator.
- nickik 7y agoI hate this answer so much. The US has 300 million people with diverse interests. About 40% of the countries GDP is spend by the government and the rest is regulated. With that money the government does A LOT of different things, from creating special interest groups to increase salad prices for farmers in <random state> to fighting a long term geopolitical battle with China. You can vote a couple of times, meaning you can make like 4 choices a year to effect those things. Meaning your opinion about ALL of these has to be condensed to like 4 choices, and those choices are incredibly restricted by a party system. And with almost none of the 300 million people car safety regulation is in the Top 100 of issues they care about means that the democratic process has almost zero direct impact on a particular topic.
- iddqd 7y agoI would love to see the frowns of the EU regulators when they wake up and see this.
- tomcooks 7y agoNever going to pass, those sharp edges and corners would give negative EuroNCAP ratings.
- danpalmer 7y agoI guess it’s a good thing that trucks like this aren’t really a thing in the EU. They exist, but I don’t know anyone who has ever owned or rented one. They’re hard to find, dealerships don’t tend to have them so you’d have to find a specialist importer I reckon.
- rkangel 7y agoMost commercial dealers will have them - the same places you'd go to buy a van (in the UK at least). I've used them for work in a couple of contexts (usually Mazda ones for whatever reason) and they've been great.
- danpalmer 7y agoEven then, I'm not sure they're that common. Most contractors/plumbers/movers/etc will have a Transit or something similar. There are a few, farms sometimes have them, but I would find it strange to see one parked outside someones house.
- koffiezet 7y agoDoubt they're even going to try to introduce it on the EU market, there's very little demand for pickup trucks here...
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y agoIn urban areas, yes. In rural areas- in Greece they're like a stereotype, farmers with pickup trucks. I know at least one person who has a pimped-up one with rollbars (bullbars?) and big lights and so on.
- Thorrez 7y agoFor it to be sold in Europe doesn't it also have to comply with European laws? Would Tesla create a second version of the truck for Europe?
- otabdeveloper4 7y ago> Would Tesla create a second version of the truck for Europe? I don't think I've ever actually seen what Americans call a 'truck' on a street in Europe. (Slight exaggeration, but not really.)
- rimliu 7y agoYou can see odd Toyota Hilux (I think that counts?) now and then.
- wsc981 7y agoShould be, those Toyota Hilux trucks found plenty of use in real situations, e.g. war in Syria [0]. --- [0]: https://www.globalresearch.ca/dutch-government-provided-terrorists-with-pickup-trucks-and-cell-phones-invested-25-million-euros-supporting-jihadist-groups-in-syria/5653762 https://www.globalresearch.ca/dutch-government-provided-terr...
- baud147258 7y agoOr the so called Toyota War in Chad in the 80s.
- serpix 7y agoSome Dodge Rams and Ford pickups in Finland. They barely fit in parking lots and are ridiculously huge and polluting.
- Luc 7y agoThere's a Dodge Ram parked outside my door (Paris). It only moves on the weekend...
- syshum 7y ago>>Does the US not have pedestrian safety standards? Yes we do, get out of the way. Outside of major cities there are almost no pedestrians in the US, the only time people walk in the US is when our car/truck is broken.. and with Uber we do not even have to do that now... Technology is great :)
- TeMPOraL 7y agoTurn all parking spaces into buildings and you can pretend you live in space, except without leaving Earth :).
- efficax 7y agolol. hitting a pedestrian and killing them is essentially a traffic ticket in the US
- ryanmercer 7y ago>Does the US not have pedestrian safety standards? I don't know what it is like outside of the United States but here everyone has the common sense to know "don't walk in front of moving vehicles" as you are taught as a child "look both ways before crossing" over and over and over. You can put all of safety features you want on a vehicle, but if they hit a pedestrian there is a VERY good chance they will die. That's a lot of force and a little bit of rubber or plastic won't make a lot of difference, I say this as someone that lost a very dear friend to a hit and run as a pedestrian and lost another friend this year that was stationary on her motorcycle and someone rear-ended her and killed her (effectively) instantly.
- tsanummy 7y agoDid both of your friends not have common sense or what? Didn't they know not to walk in front of moving vehicles? They'd be alive now if the had known that, duh. And plus your argument falls flat if you consider that even 1% better chance of survival means a lot of lives saved. Are you saying looks outweight safety for pedestrians?
- ryanmercer 7y agoOne was killed while on another vehicle... the other was killed by yet unidentified hit and run driver that was likely impaired at a speed great enough it launched her body more than ten feet into a field, to be found days after the fact and needing to be identified by dental records, almost certainly ending her life at the second of impact with the vehicle and if not she would have died from the impact with the ground. Cars versus people not in another car, often result in death regardless of any little piece of plastic or rubber you put on a car. Plastic and rubber added makes the driver feel better, it does little to protect people.
- dang 7y agoThis comment crosses into personal attack, which is not allowed here. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting to HN?