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Personally I was really disappointed when YC opened up shop in China - to me it really revealed a Profits over People approach and was pretty brazen at the time

Personally I was really disappointed when YC opened up shop in China - to me it really revealed a Profits over People approach and was pretty brazen at the time. Happy to see (for whatever reason) that they're recommitting to communities that (at least on the surface) don't support fascist overtures.

yourbandsucks 7y ago
Chinese people are people too, you know.
- ngcc_hk 7y ago
  But chinese government is not a government of the people, by the people and for the people. North Korean is also human too. So is those in nazi Germany für Ibm.
  - yourbandsucks 7y ago
    Nazis are not in fact people for the purposes of discussion. They are movie extras who get shot as fast as possible. You really had to go full Godwin dehumanization on a billion people right away?
    - throwaway2048 7y ago
      The nazi regime is very much comparable to the Chinese communist party in methods and death toll, about the only thing they don't measure up on is overt military aggression. Why do you dismiss any comparisons with the Nazis out of hand? Seems like an exceptionally poor way to learn from history.
      - tomnipotent 7y ago
        > comparisons with the Nazis out of hand Because they're generally silly hyperbole, just like this example. If you put China in the same tier as Nazi Germany, you're missing the forest for the trees.
noobermin 7y ago
Echoing another poster, people and individuals who are Chinese are not their government. You shouldn't equate working with Chinese individuals and talent as a tacit support of their government.
- SandersAK 7y ago
  You should do more digging into how "doing business in China" works before you make this statement.
  - mherdeg 7y ago
    I really have no idea how "doing business in China" works. I thought I understood it but I still don't... An interesting thread last year suggested that in some cases companies spent many years "doing business in China" as a form of ... de-escalation to avoid nuclear war, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17004546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17004546
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  You don't do business in China without supporting the government, and them supporting you, period. Plenty of Chinese people call the communist party "The organization" because as far as they are concerned, its the only power structure that exists in China.
- Aeolun 7y ago
  Is it like that? I’m sure it’s true in some cases, but I have the feeling Chinese people are often much more their government than otherwise similar people in other countries. Of course, all that’s based on hearsay, so who knows what the reality is.
edwinyzh 7y ago
>>"recommitting to communities that (at least on the surface) don't support fascist overtures" Sorry, but what you said is quite different from my conclusion from comparing a country which starts wars all around the world, with a country which build infrastructures all around the world.
slowmotiony 7y ago
They aren't recommitting anything. They got their IP stolen and their logo is still being used, and apparently they can't even say anything about it.

yourbandsucks 7y ago

Chinese people are people too, you know.

ngcc_hk 7y ago
But chinese government is not a government of the people, by the people and for the people. North Korean is also human too. So is those in nazi Germany für Ibm.
- yourbandsucks 7y ago
  Nazis are not in fact people for the purposes of discussion. They are movie extras who get shot as fast as possible. You really had to go full Godwin dehumanization on a billion people right away?
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    The nazi regime is very much comparable to the Chinese communist party in methods and death toll, about the only thing they don't measure up on is overt military aggression. Why do you dismiss any comparisons with the Nazis out of hand? Seems like an exceptionally poor way to learn from history.
    - tomnipotent 7y ago
      > comparisons with the Nazis out of hand Because they're generally silly hyperbole, just like this example. If you put China in the same tier as Nazi Germany, you're missing the forest for the trees.

noobermin 7y ago

Echoing another poster, people and individuals who are Chinese are not their government. You shouldn't equate working with Chinese individuals and talent as a tacit support of their government.

SandersAK 7y ago
You should do more digging into how "doing business in China" works before you make this statement.
- mherdeg 7y ago
  I really have no idea how "doing business in China" works. I thought I understood it but I still don't... An interesting thread last year suggested that in some cases companies spent many years "doing business in China" as a form of ... de-escalation to avoid nuclear war, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17004546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17004546
throwaway2048 7y ago
You don't do business in China without supporting the government, and them supporting you, period. Plenty of Chinese people call the communist party "The organization" because as far as they are concerned, its the only power structure that exists in China.
Aeolun 7y ago
Is it like that? I’m sure it’s true in some cases, but I have the feeling Chinese people are often much more their government than otherwise similar people in other countries. Of course, all that’s based on hearsay, so who knows what the reality is.

edwinyzh 7y ago

>>"recommitting to communities that (at least on the surface) don't support fascist overtures" Sorry, but what you said is quite different from my conclusion from comparing a country which starts wars all around the world, with a country which build infrastructures all around the world.

slowmotiony 7y ago

They aren't recommitting anything. They got their IP stolen and their logo is still being used, and apparently they can't even say anything about it.