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Yeah, the very first time I used Confluence I was in shock of how developer's at one time could have thought this was a good or useful product for discussing/pl

Yeah, the very first time I used Confluence I was in shock of how developer's at one time could have thought this was a good or useful product for discussing/planning code changes. For ticketing software, I find Clubhouse to be much better than JIRA. Normal markdown that doesn't drive you insane. Much slicker all around.

alexis_fr 7y ago
Concerning Clubhouse.io, it looks great, is there a download version? I know “Cloud is the way to go”, but I work in Men’s Rights (DV abuses, etc) and it is usually something that cloud companies don’t want on their platform, so we’re constantly at risk of being revoked.
- lima 7y ago
  Phabricator's ticketing system is excellent, and it's fully open source. Probably the best open source project management tool out there. It's also very easy to self-host.
- benhurmarcel 7y ago
  No modern software works locally, it's always all in the cloud. That's why most large companies (and some cases like yours) stick with the big guys like Atlassian and Microsoft; the new competition doesn't support their data requirements.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    A lot of that stuff still works self-hosted, which is a hard requirement in some places.
- hatfortguy 7y ago
  Have you tried something git based? That way the tickets, etc, exist on your machine and there's no real risk of being de-platformed. Whilst not an actual answer to your question, I thought it might be a good direction for you to look into. Also, I've seen Redbooth (formerly Teambox) we'll recommended and since it's OSS it can be self hosted pretty easily.
- isostatic 7y ago
  I've just looked at the to 4 sites for mensrights and see hosting on Azure, GCP, Cloudflare and godaddy. Do you have any links to any cloud or other hosting company kicking out any mens rights sites?
  - alexis_fr 7y ago
    The SPLC determined that the most famous of them were “promoting hate”, so PayPal pulled service, and it’s always the roulette on what is going to be pulled next. Each year the International Conference on Men’s Issues had to change venues at least once, and one year the venue pulled out less than a month before the conference. Don’t say it doesn’t exist. And saying “All men are pigs” is apparently not a reason to pull support from the female equivalent. As much as “Women should be sentenced to smaller prison times than men” is apparently not a hindrance to staying head of the judges of UK’s Supreme Court. So yeah, we need to avoid using cloud services.
    - isostatic 7y ago
      Which is the "most famous of them"? In this UK it's probably "mankind", hosted on a microsoft owned IP, I assume azure.
      - waterhouse 7y ago
        I googled "splc men's rights promoting hate", and it looks like A Voice For Men is what alexis_fr is referring to.
        isostatic 7y ago
        Never heard of it. Wikipedia says > for profit And > Its editorial position is strongly antifeminist and frequently accuses feminists of being misandrist. somewhat different to things like the white ribbon campaign that it tried to hijack. There's plenty of charities and organisations working to stop domestic abuse of men. This looks like something that would fit well with breitbart.
tnolet 7y ago
Was super skeptical about all those Jira replacement SaaS’s out there. But Clubhouse is actually pretty good. For people on the fence, give it a try.
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  I for one am still waiting for usable task management SaaS - one that doesn't limit me to "epic/project/task" split, but instead recognizes that the work is being decomposed recursively, and has dependencies. All I really want is a system that lets me arrange my tasks into a DAG. B is a subtask of A. C and D are subtasks or B. E is a subtask of D. F is a subtask of A, but depends on D being complete. It's simple and matches how people think about work. Add a capability for estimation (for the love of $deity, in durations, not dates!), and you can pull a critical path diagram straight out of it. Is it so hard to make software like this? Why nobody does? And how come that some project management packages (like JIRA, AFAIR) explicitly mention subtasks as non-features, because they're not "agile enough". The only piece of PM software I've seen that's even capable of what I want is YouTrack by JetBrains, but even there, the graph nature of tasks is only an afterthought; the product tries very hard to look like Jira, with all its bad features.
  - beaconstudios 7y ago
    I also want exactly this and have so far not found an example. I think most software is geared towards "good-enough" problem fitting, where only people who both understand the fundamental structure beneath planning, and care enough to want to implement it correctly, will want a DAG solution. However, I'm already working on quality DAG UI code so I'm tempted to divert temporarily to build such a tool if there's a market for it I'm not aware of. Perhaps a weekend project/"show HN" to gauge interest would be warranted.
    - jsjohnst 7y ago
      Yes!! I’d be interested too (email in my profile as well).
mipmap04 7y ago
At this point, I like Azure Dev Ops more than the Atlassian suite.
stock_toaster 7y ago
Apparently clubhouse is working on an integrated wiki system[1] too. Can't wait to try it out (alas, beta invite not avail for the free account my company is currently using for evaluation). [1]: https://clubhouse.io/blog/write-beta https://clubhouse.io/blog/write-beta

alexis_fr 7y ago

Concerning Clubhouse.io, it looks great, is there a download version? I know “Cloud is the way to go”, but I work in Men’s Rights (DV abuses, etc) and it is usually something that cloud companies don’t want on their platform, so we’re constantly at risk of being revoked.

lima 7y ago
Phabricator's ticketing system is excellent, and it's fully open source. Probably the best open source project management tool out there. It's also very easy to self-host.
benhurmarcel 7y ago
No modern software works locally, it's always all in the cloud. That's why most large companies (and some cases like yours) stick with the big guys like Atlassian and Microsoft; the new competition doesn't support their data requirements.
- gridlockd 7y ago
  A lot of that stuff still works self-hosted, which is a hard requirement in some places.
hatfortguy 7y ago
Have you tried something git based? That way the tickets, etc, exist on your machine and there's no real risk of being de-platformed. Whilst not an actual answer to your question, I thought it might be a good direction for you to look into. Also, I've seen Redbooth (formerly Teambox) we'll recommended and since it's OSS it can be self hosted pretty easily.
isostatic 7y ago
I've just looked at the to 4 sites for mensrights and see hosting on Azure, GCP, Cloudflare and godaddy. Do you have any links to any cloud or other hosting company kicking out any mens rights sites?
- alexis_fr 7y ago
  The SPLC determined that the most famous of them were “promoting hate”, so PayPal pulled service, and it’s always the roulette on what is going to be pulled next. Each year the International Conference on Men’s Issues had to change venues at least once, and one year the venue pulled out less than a month before the conference. Don’t say it doesn’t exist. And saying “All men are pigs” is apparently not a reason to pull support from the female equivalent. As much as “Women should be sentenced to smaller prison times than men” is apparently not a hindrance to staying head of the judges of UK’s Supreme Court. So yeah, we need to avoid using cloud services.
  - isostatic 7y ago
    Which is the "most famous of them"? In this UK it's probably "mankind", hosted on a microsoft owned IP, I assume azure.
    - waterhouse 7y ago
      I googled "splc men's rights promoting hate", and it looks like A Voice For Men is what alexis_fr is referring to.
      - isostatic 7y ago
        Never heard of it. Wikipedia says > for profit And > Its editorial position is strongly antifeminist and frequently accuses feminists of being misandrist. somewhat different to things like the white ribbon campaign that it tried to hijack. There's plenty of charities and organisations working to stop domestic abuse of men. This looks like something that would fit well with breitbart.

tnolet 7y ago

Was super skeptical about all those Jira replacement SaaS’s out there. But Clubhouse is actually pretty good. For people on the fence, give it a try.

TeMPOraL 7y ago
I for one am still waiting for usable task management SaaS - one that doesn't limit me to "epic/project/task" split, but instead recognizes that the work is being decomposed recursively, and has dependencies. All I really want is a system that lets me arrange my tasks into a DAG. B is a subtask of A. C and D are subtasks or B. E is a subtask of D. F is a subtask of A, but depends on D being complete. It's simple and matches how people think about work. Add a capability for estimation (for the love of $deity, in durations, not dates!), and you can pull a critical path diagram straight out of it. Is it so hard to make software like this? Why nobody does? And how come that some project management packages (like JIRA, AFAIR) explicitly mention subtasks as non-features, because they're not "agile enough". The only piece of PM software I've seen that's even capable of what I want is YouTrack by JetBrains, but even there, the graph nature of tasks is only an afterthought; the product tries very hard to look like Jira, with all its bad features.
- beaconstudios 7y ago
  I also want exactly this and have so far not found an example. I think most software is geared towards "good-enough" problem fitting, where only people who both understand the fundamental structure beneath planning, and care enough to want to implement it correctly, will want a DAG solution. However, I'm already working on quality DAG UI code so I'm tempted to divert temporarily to build such a tool if there's a market for it I'm not aware of. Perhaps a weekend project/"show HN" to gauge interest would be warranted.
  - jsjohnst 7y ago
    Yes!! I’d be interested too (email in my profile as well).

mipmap04 7y ago

At this point, I like Azure Dev Ops more than the Atlassian suite.

stock_toaster 7y ago

Apparently clubhouse is working on an integrated wiki system[1] too. Can't wait to try it out (alas, beta invite not avail for the free account my company is currently using for evaluation). [1]: https://clubhouse.io/blog/write-beta https://clubhouse.io/blog/write-beta