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This is funny because I work across the street of Slack’s office in Vancouver, Canada and two Slack engineers who I frequently chat with during our daily commut
by guessmyname 7y ago
This is funny because I work across the street of Slack’s office in Vancouver, Canada and two Slack engineers who I frequently chat with during our daily commute already told me they —and a handful of other employees— hate the WYSIWYG input box too, but were afraid to express their feelings because their role is irrelevant compared to the people who made the decision to ship it.
- zentiggr 7y agoArgh! Oh, well, bye bye usable Slack, hello full of individual PM review bullet point features unusable frustrating senseless Slack. Glad my only use is a comms channel for my Ingress group.
- james_s_tayler 7y agoAhhh the HIPPO strikes again.
- FridgeSeal 7y agoWhat’s that stand for? I’m guessing something along the lines of: High Importance Person Pushing Own (desires??)?
- itsrajju 7y agoI think it stands for _Highest Paid Person's Opinion_
- Arathorn 7y agohighest paid person's opinion
- iamtheworstdev 7y agoHIghest Paid Person's Opinion
- rurounijones 7y agoAs others have said it means "Highest Paid Person's Opinion" but as a little extra. It is usually used when a company has no actual data to work on and therefore goes with the "obvious" as defined by "the boss" (Hippo). Not that it is necessarily true. There could be lots of data that some people are not aware of and that only senior people are privy to, but if that is not shared with the team developing the software then that is in itself not a great sign.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoNah, HIPPO works perfectly well in "data-driven" companies: the highest paid person proclaims what the data is supposed to tell, and then lots of data "science" happens to make the data show exactly that.
- kdeldycke 7y agoHiPPO stands for HIghest Paid Person's Opinion, a trait of dysfunctional culture, in which power politics trumps data. The concept seems to originate from Netscape's CEO and the acronym exists since 2006, according HiPPO FAQ: http://bitly.com/HIPPOExplained http://bitly.com/HIPPOExplained
- randunel 7y agoWhy are you trying to track us? Please post non-tracking links https://exp-platform.com/Pages/HiPPO_explained.aspx https://exp-platform.com/Pages/HiPPO_explained.aspx
- jsjohnst 7y agoAny time I see a bitly link like that, I always copy rather than click and add a + to the end. I should make an extension to do it on hover I guess.
- deleted 7y ago[deleted]
- christefano 7y agoGood tip on adding the ‘+’ to the end. Thanks! To anyone wondering, adding the plus (when logged in to Bitly) displays an info page with the referrers (refererers) and locations by country. And where the link goes to, obviously. No idea if this counts toward the Bitly link open rate.
- jsjohnst 7y agoMy pleasure! Two tiny points 1) don’t need to be logged in for the + to work 2) I’ve not seen it increment the clicks by visiting the + stats page, but can’t speak authoritatively on that.
- kdeldycke 7y agoSorry, I was just trying to respect the FAQ author's method to keep a stable URL (see the bottom of the FAQ).
- _jal 7y agoBad sign. If the rank and file are afraid to give honest internal feedback, they have a management problem. At least for me, that's a time-to-leave signal.
- baby 7y agoAnd this ladies and gentlemen is the over reaction of the year!
- wpietri 7y agoNot at all. Why stay at a place that doesn't value your ability to think? Or, worse, doesn't value the thoughts of anybody below a certain rank? Not only is that a miserable experience, but I think it's also a recipe for a product that only gets worse.
- hanspeter 7y ago> Why stay at a place that doesn't value your ability to think? Or, worse, doesn't value the thoughts of anybody below a certain rank? That's the over reaction part. The fact that two engineers feels uncomfortable expressing their feelings, says very little about the culture or values in their company. It could be that they are just too introverted or insecure to speak up about most things, or that they have a good relationship with the fellow engineers in that other team, and don't feel like ruining it by telling them, that their contributions to the product sucks.
- wpietri 7y agoIf the original commenter had said, "if any two engineers feel uncomfortable, you should definitely quit right away", then you'd be right. But that's not what was said. It was correctly described as a possible management problem, a signal. If your notion is that one should leave at the first signal, that's something you bring to it. Anyhow, we have evidence that the problem is more widespread. It's obvious from the HN reaction that quite a lot of people hate this feature, engineers especially. But still it was released. If you want to hypothesize a situation that makes that unimportant, you have to dream up a lot more than two extremely insecure engineers.
- netsharc 7y agoCan we start calling it the WYTIWYG (What you type isn't what you get) editor...
- paulddraper 7y agoFor the life of me, I cannot figure out how to create two adjacent but separate code blocks. ``` one ``` ``` two ``` I've tried and tried.
- sgustard 7y agoTyping option-return between the two blocks works for me.
- _asummers 7y agoIf you add a blank line between them, then it won't combine them.
- paulddraper 7y agoI didn't really want an extra blank line between them. Still...I could have swore I had tried that anyway. Huh.
- jackweirdy 7y agoThe flow of pasting such strings is not great either. Previously you could paste a string with backticks and it would be formatted correctly on send. Now the behaviour is to ask you every time to apply formatting. There is an option for "don't ask again" which I tried assuming it would make autoformatting the default, but it turns off the behaviour completely with no way to get it back!
- ajscanlan 7y ago`CMD + Shift + F` applies formatting. Unfortunately it must be done every time, no autoformatting by default it seems.
- jschuur 7y agoYou can exit a code block by hitting Command Option Shift C. I found this out by hovering over the code block icon in the bar below the editor box. The trick seems to be to add a blank final line, otherwise, it will not include the last line you typed in a code block.
- dreamcompiler 7y agoYet again this sounds like the pet project of a VP trying to make his bones while ruining the product, and nobody at the company is powerful enough to overrule him.
- cpcallen 7y agoThis sounds just like how my friends at Google reacted when Gmail and Google Docs were given the "Kennedy" makeover some years ago. Apparently there were a lot of memes going round to the effect of "still have one tab with the old Gmail open; praying Chrome doesn't crash".
- epanchin 7y agoPlease ask them what they think of the ‘drafts’ section. I’m so fed up of losing chats to that section.
- djsumdog 7y agoI'm surprised that hasn't been reverted yet. It's so fucking stupid. Where did that chat go? oh it's up in drafts? WTF? Terrible UI choice. It makes no sense.
- timw4mail 7y agoIt would be okay if the channel were duplicated in the drafts section. But moved? That definitely makes no sense.
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- ravedave5 7y agoJoin the hundreds of people complaining in this twitter thread, I put my beef with it in there too. https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/1135955676545585164 https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/1135955676545585164
- riffraff 7y agoYou can send it directly via /feedback, too. It gets read, and you'll get an answer too.
- mdaniel 7y agoI complain via my company's slack so they know the observation is from a paying customer Don't get me wrong, the "you'll get an answer" is almost always the same "thank you for your input" but at least it creates a Zendesk ticket from a paying customer, in contrast to whining on HN or Twitter, where I am about dead certain no corporate OKR is influenced
- Fiahil 7y agoIt's genuinely hard to make a good design for something, but if you put the time and effort required, that's the difference between Atom and VS Code. The only way I know how to make a good design, is to have a good Product Owner. Prototyping helps a little bit, User testing absolutely not. You can have five different PO working on the same epic and still get a bad design, but it only takes one to find the perfect solution. That input box story is not different. They could have made the WYSIWYG feature compatible with the "old" input method by changing the visual without altering the character flow (eg: The <star>brown<star> fox). Apparently, no one thought of that...
- dclowd9901 7y agoThat seems pretty confusing to me, as now you’re left wondering which will actually render, and which text won’t...
- setr 7y agoNo? If I'm imagining it correctly, it should work like this: writing `help` will render it inline. A rendered `help`^H becomes an un-rendered `help The rendering doesn't need to show the backticks, but it seems to me that it's perfectly reasonable to have it exist from the text-editing perspective. The real problem might be that hitting <star><star>help<star><star><LEFT_KEY> can either move invisibly between one of the two stars (technically correct), or jump a star to place the cursor just after p (visually correct). I would think the best solution is to have all editing keys (eg backspace, delete, insert-then-type) be technically correct, and all movement keys (eg arrow keys) be visually correct. I think this is also how Typora does its markdown rendering, which was functionally intuitive in my experience (I stopped using it because it slowed down severely with any file larger than like 300 characters, so a worthless text editor, but UI-wise it worked well)
- tripzilch 7y agoHuh, why do you believe user testing is unhelpful to make a good UX design?
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- simpss 7y agoOn another topic, someone recently posted this youtube video of a Norwegian engineer explaining her views on tech worker ethics, how we've got here and maybe a way to fix it or atleast improve on the current situation. I'd recommend showing it to your commute buddies. It really resonated with my thoughts, how I've viewed the tech world and my (tiny) part in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNIiitVFtc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNIiitVFtc