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"tamil tiger terrorists" the article says. I dont believe I am a terrorist at all :( for everyone who wants to learn about the chilling end of the first civil

by grezql 7y ago

"tamil tiger terrorists" the article says. I dont believe I am a terrorist at all :( for everyone who wants to learn about the chilling end of the first civil war: channel4 documentary https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtIXCzway-dZzi7Hf-jzAwMGPVQg?e=XYipjW https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtIXCzway-dZzi7Hf-jzAwMGPVQg?e=XYipjW

praveenperera 7y ago
The group that invented suicide bombings aren’t terrorists? Please don’t try to spread misinformation.
- grezql 7y ago
  I suspect this can turn out to a heated politics discussion so this is my final post about this: we never threw people off buildings. we never stoned people to death. we never drowned people in cages or beheaded. We fought with uniforms, we tried to follow the geneva convention as much as we could being a seperatist group. we had the support of the people, in fact, we were the people. Much like the kurds in Syria/Iraq. obviously there were collateral damage and there were some nasty incidences. Even the US with the technical capability and all the surveillence technology cannot avoid collateral damage, bombing of red cross hospital or abuses of Abu Ghiraib. The fight for independence is not over for us.
  - pubudutr 7y ago
    Keyword here being we. Why can't people live in harmony and instead fight for a separatist nation inside a tiny little island?
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - TomMarius 7y ago
      Perhaps because the other people don't want to live in harmony and instead use the government's monopoly on force to influence lives of the separatists?
    - brutt 7y ago
      Why we cannot have two drivers in one truck, who will drive in harmony? Truck is tiny, so it should be easy, right? As we know, we can have two or more drivers in truck, but only if 1) driving wheel is still single, 2) drivers are swapping each other at regular intervals, 3) they all share the goal, a final destination.
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  - fellellor 7y ago
    Followed the Geneva Convention? You guys literally invented the suicide bomb. Everyone deserves to have a second chance, and war is hell and crazy things happen. So I hope you live a decent life from now on. But don't for a second claim that LTTE weren't a bunch of brutal thugs who forced non combatants into war, brainwashed kids and girls and themselves gleefully committed all manner of war crimes to achieve their objectives. And for what, Prabhakaran himself turned out to be a run of the mill dictator who exploited the people around him to glorify himself.
    - jenxkfjeo0 7y ago
      I mean describing it like that you’ve basically described every human nation, numerous businesses, tribe, cult, that’s ever existed. And in America we pardon our war criminals now. Don’t really see the public being too concerned with that. So why be so judgmental of others cultures when your own is exactly as you describe? Righteous clowns, westerners are.
      - skuthus 7y ago
        Some of us westerners are shocked and disgusted by the recent pardons as well. I would categorize American military existence as 'brutal and immoral' to start. Don't throw us all out with the bathwater.
      - lowtolerance 7y ago
        If you think the American people aren’t concerned with the rampant fuckery taking place at all levels of our government, then why are you even talking? You don’t know a damned thing about our concerns.
        jenxkfjeo0 7y ago
        Notice how I wrote “in America we”. But you’re right a sample of a handful of grumpy commenters should be extrapolated directly to the public at large. Ok. Nailed me to the wall there, bud. Gj! Instead of politically organizing you’re babysitting other people’s personal views of the shitshow. #winning Meanwhile, in Hong Kong, directly in defiance of an authoritarian regime... Relatively speaking in “free America” a bunch of “polite” people, when measured by time spent undertaking direct political (not their online impotent rage) we have what? I like to believe it’s because deep inside we know they wouldn’t hesitate right? They clamp down hard early: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Uc_Davis_Pepper_Spray_Incident.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Uc_Davis_Pepp...
  - sfifs 7y ago
    The moment LTTE lost broad international support was the moment they assassinated Rajiv Gandhi, the ex-prime minister of India who was looking likely to win the popular vote in the election cycle. It probably ranks up there with strategic blunders like Hitler invading Russia in winter.
  - Arubis 7y ago
    > obviously there were collateral damage and there were some nasty incidences. Even the US with the technical capability and all the surveillence technology cannot avoid collateral damage, bombing of red cross hospital or abuses of Abu Ghiraib. As a total outsider, I will refrain from making any judgements on any side of the Tamil separatist divide. However, this statement is a pretty direct representation of the human and reputational cost of powerful countries in general, and of Western democracies specifically, providing a poor example on the world stage. Expect more of this.
  - tsjq 7y ago
    over 600 unarmed policemen were killed for peace and independence ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_massacre_of_Sri_Lankan_Police_officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_massacre_of_Sri_Lankan_Po...
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      >On 10 June 1990, Batticaloa police locked up a Muslim youth, allegedly found in a compromising position with a Sinhalese woman by her husband. If that’s an acceptable reason to lock up someone, then perhaps they deserved to get shot?
      - Lev1a 7y ago
        Locking someone up for a dubious reason vs. Taking hundreds of unarmed police officers into the jungle, tying them up and executing them. Anyone who thinks these are even remotely comparable acts is out of their mind.
        ryanlol 7y ago
        I don’t think “dubious” is the word I’d use to describe the reasoning here. I’d prefer to go with “malicious”, or perhaps just plain "wrong". I don't think the number of the executed police officers makes any difference, anyone who chooses to partake in an organization imprisoning people for such reasons deserves that fate.
        Lev1a 7y ago
        Not familiar with the local law, but it's most likely some BS law that's there due to some BS religious reasoning. If that's the case, campaign (hard but peaceful/non-violent) to introduce laws compatible with intelligent human life and expunge the records of/pardon those imprisoned due to laws reminicent of the dark ages. Being (one of hundreds of people) massacred by terrorists is not a fate anyone deserves.
        7y ago
  - praveenperera 7y ago
    Here is a list of incidents where civilians were the INTENDED target: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_attributed_to_the_LTTE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_attributed_to_... In each of these attacks the civilians were the target, not unavoidable collateral damage. Your false equivalencies are disgusting.
  - rumanator 7y ago
    > We fought with uniforms, we tried to follow the geneva convention as much as we could being a seperatist group. The "as much as we could" weasel words doesn't make this the most reassuring of statements.
- KibbutzDalia 7y ago
  Not spread misinformation on HN? That’s all people do here, especially about terrorism.
- growlist 7y ago
  one man's terrorist... you know the rest.
ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
Isn't the group considered a terrorist group because... it is? Placing a bomb on a plane is generally considered an act of terror. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Lanka_Flight_512 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Lanka_Flight_512
nradov 7y ago
The Tamil Tigers intentionally attacked civilian targets in an attempt to achieve their political goals. That is literally the definition of "terrorist". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam#Human_rights_violations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eel...
- fao_ 7y ago
  > The Tamil Tigers intentionally attacked civilian targets in an attempt to achieve their political goals. The United States Government has performed missile attacks (via drone) on a hospital, several weddings (At least eight, according to a 2 second search), and at least one Mosque. And yet the Military arm of the United States Government is not considered to be a terrorist organization. Sounds like a double standard to me.
  - extra88 7y ago
    The difference is intentionally attacking civilians and only civilians. The U.S. military has mistakenly attacked civilians, I assume there have also been cases where there was a high-value target and the deaths of nearby civilians were considered acceptable "collateral damage." (if you want to counter this, please restrict examples to ones since 9/11 and ones when no perpetrators were charged or disciplined). While the distinctions don't matter to dead people or their surviving loved ones, they do within the oxymoron "military justice."
tsjq 7y ago
oh yes. Rajiv Gandhi, Premadasa, & 104 more people were assassinated by a peace-loving organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam#Assassinations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eel...

by grezql 7y ago

praveenperera 7y ago

The group that invented suicide bombings aren’t terrorists? Please don’t try to spread misinformation.

grezql 7y ago
I suspect this can turn out to a heated politics discussion so this is my final post about this: we never threw people off buildings. we never stoned people to death. we never drowned people in cages or beheaded. We fought with uniforms, we tried to follow the geneva convention as much as we could being a seperatist group. we had the support of the people, in fact, we were the people. Much like the kurds in Syria/Iraq. obviously there were collateral damage and there were some nasty incidences. Even the US with the technical capability and all the surveillence technology cannot avoid collateral damage, bombing of red cross hospital or abuses of Abu Ghiraib. The fight for independence is not over for us.
- pubudutr 7y ago
  Keyword here being we. Why can't people live in harmony and instead fight for a separatist nation inside a tiny little island?
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - TomMarius 7y ago
    Perhaps because the other people don't want to live in harmony and instead use the government's monopoly on force to influence lives of the separatists?
  - brutt 7y ago
    Why we cannot have two drivers in one truck, who will drive in harmony? Truck is tiny, so it should be easy, right? As we know, we can have two or more drivers in truck, but only if 1) driving wheel is still single, 2) drivers are swapping each other at regular intervals, 3) they all share the goal, a final destination.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- fellellor 7y ago
  Followed the Geneva Convention? You guys literally invented the suicide bomb. Everyone deserves to have a second chance, and war is hell and crazy things happen. So I hope you live a decent life from now on. But don't for a second claim that LTTE weren't a bunch of brutal thugs who forced non combatants into war, brainwashed kids and girls and themselves gleefully committed all manner of war crimes to achieve their objectives. And for what, Prabhakaran himself turned out to be a run of the mill dictator who exploited the people around him to glorify himself.
  - jenxkfjeo0 7y ago
    I mean describing it like that you’ve basically described every human nation, numerous businesses, tribe, cult, that’s ever existed. And in America we pardon our war criminals now. Don’t really see the public being too concerned with that. So why be so judgmental of others cultures when your own is exactly as you describe? Righteous clowns, westerners are.
    - skuthus 7y ago
      Some of us westerners are shocked and disgusted by the recent pardons as well. I would categorize American military existence as 'brutal and immoral' to start. Don't throw us all out with the bathwater.
    - lowtolerance 7y ago
      If you think the American people aren’t concerned with the rampant fuckery taking place at all levels of our government, then why are you even talking? You don’t know a damned thing about our concerns.
      - jenxkfjeo0 7y ago
        Notice how I wrote “in America we”. But you’re right a sample of a handful of grumpy commenters should be extrapolated directly to the public at large. Ok. Nailed me to the wall there, bud. Gj! Instead of politically organizing you’re babysitting other people’s personal views of the shitshow. #winning Meanwhile, in Hong Kong, directly in defiance of an authoritarian regime... Relatively speaking in “free America” a bunch of “polite” people, when measured by time spent undertaking direct political (not their online impotent rage) we have what? I like to believe it’s because deep inside we know they wouldn’t hesitate right? They clamp down hard early: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Uc_Davis_Pepper_Spray_Incident.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Uc_Davis_Pepp...
- sfifs 7y ago
  The moment LTTE lost broad international support was the moment they assassinated Rajiv Gandhi, the ex-prime minister of India who was looking likely to win the popular vote in the election cycle. It probably ranks up there with strategic blunders like Hitler invading Russia in winter.
- Arubis 7y ago
  > obviously there were collateral damage and there were some nasty incidences. Even the US with the technical capability and all the surveillence technology cannot avoid collateral damage, bombing of red cross hospital or abuses of Abu Ghiraib. As a total outsider, I will refrain from making any judgements on any side of the Tamil separatist divide. However, this statement is a pretty direct representation of the human and reputational cost of powerful countries in general, and of Western democracies specifically, providing a poor example on the world stage. Expect more of this.
- tsjq 7y ago
  over 600 unarmed policemen were killed for peace and independence ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_massacre_of_Sri_Lankan_Police_officers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_massacre_of_Sri_Lankan_Po...
  - ryanlol 7y ago
    >On 10 June 1990, Batticaloa police locked up a Muslim youth, allegedly found in a compromising position with a Sinhalese woman by her husband. If that’s an acceptable reason to lock up someone, then perhaps they deserved to get shot?
    - Lev1a 7y ago
      Locking someone up for a dubious reason vs. Taking hundreds of unarmed police officers into the jungle, tying them up and executing them. Anyone who thinks these are even remotely comparable acts is out of their mind.
      - ryanlol 7y ago
        I don’t think “dubious” is the word I’d use to describe the reasoning here. I’d prefer to go with “malicious”, or perhaps just plain "wrong". I don't think the number of the executed police officers makes any difference, anyone who chooses to partake in an organization imprisoning people for such reasons deserves that fate.
        Lev1a 7y ago
        Not familiar with the local law, but it's most likely some BS law that's there due to some BS religious reasoning. If that's the case, campaign (hard but peaceful/non-violent) to introduce laws compatible with intelligent human life and expunge the records of/pardon those imprisoned due to laws reminicent of the dark ages. Being (one of hundreds of people) massacred by terrorists is not a fate anyone deserves.
        7y ago
- praveenperera 7y ago
  Here is a list of incidents where civilians were the INTENDED target: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_attributed_to_the_LTTE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_attributed_to_... In each of these attacks the civilians were the target, not unavoidable collateral damage. Your false equivalencies are disgusting.
- rumanator 7y ago
  > We fought with uniforms, we tried to follow the geneva convention as much as we could being a seperatist group. The "as much as we could" weasel words doesn't make this the most reassuring of statements.
KibbutzDalia 7y ago
Not spread misinformation on HN? That’s all people do here, especially about terrorism.
growlist 7y ago
one man's terrorist... you know the rest.

ApolloFortyNine 7y ago

Isn't the group considered a terrorist group because... it is? Placing a bomb on a plane is generally considered an act of terror. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Lanka_Flight_512 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Lanka_Flight_512

nradov 7y ago

The Tamil Tigers intentionally attacked civilian targets in an attempt to achieve their political goals. That is literally the definition of "terrorist". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam#Human_rights_violations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eel...

fao_ 7y ago
> The Tamil Tigers intentionally attacked civilian targets in an attempt to achieve their political goals. The United States Government has performed missile attacks (via drone) on a hospital, several weddings (At least eight, according to a 2 second search), and at least one Mosque. And yet the Military arm of the United States Government is not considered to be a terrorist organization. Sounds like a double standard to me.
- extra88 7y ago
  The difference is intentionally attacking civilians and only civilians. The U.S. military has mistakenly attacked civilians, I assume there have also been cases where there was a high-value target and the deaths of nearby civilians were considered acceptable "collateral damage." (if you want to counter this, please restrict examples to ones since 9/11 and ones when no perpetrators were charged or disciplined). While the distinctions don't matter to dead people or their surviving loved ones, they do within the oxymoron "military justice."

tsjq 7y ago

oh yes. Rajiv Gandhi, Premadasa, & 104 more people were assassinated by a peace-loving organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam#Assassinations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eel...