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i don't get it. what does one thing have to do with the other? i assume no-one's going to throw their macbook in the trashcan anytime soon, so i don't see the c

by kmlx 7y ago

i don't get it. what does one thing have to do with the other? i assume no-one's going to throw their macbook in the trashcan anytime soon, so i don't see the connection between the ability to repair the device and how bad that device is for the environment.

_ph_ 7y ago
After Apple care expires, many repairs are so expensive that you have to consider the MB totalled, that means, you are throwing away a device that should be repairable. A keyboard exchange should cost between $100 and $200, not in excess of $600.
- kmlx 7y ago
  so basically the problem is offering cheaper repairs? that should be relatively easy to solve, no?
  - GrayShade 7y ago
    Repairs are going to be expensive if you need to get a new motherboard to replace a single component.
    - kmlx 7y ago
      it all depends on second hand mac component prices. from my knowledge apple changes the casing and motherboard for almost every mac hardware update. thus making components more expensive (lower runs) and the re-sell value high. so for apple to allow replacing parts the backlash from a reduced re-sell price would need to be lower than the potential new avenues of 3rd party components and repairs.
      - GrayShade 7y ago
        > the backlash from a reduced re-sell price Users complaining that laptops are too easy to repair seems absurd to me but then again, I'm not an Apple customer.
        kmlx 7y ago
        no one is complaining about that. if you want cheap devices that can be fixed by the side of the road there are countless windows laptops. countless. but when you've got a laptop that costs more to repair, then you can expect its re-sell value to stay high.
      - _ph_ 7y ago
        No, the resale value isn't high because they are difficult to repair. It would be the other way around. Currently, I wouldn't pay much for any Mac with a butterfly keyboard, as Apple only warrants it for 4 years and after that the machine is totalled.
        kmlx 7y ago
        not difficult just expensive to repair. the cheaper it is to repair, the cheaper the device gets. the more expensive the repairs, the more expensive the device.
  - _ph_ 7y ago
    That depends on Apple. If they are willing to repair a keyboard for like $150 and a broken SSD for what the SSD prices are going for at that time, at least the customers wouldn't be harmed by these design decisions. If Apple then would reuse the additional changed parts, then even the environment would benefit. But right now, all the burdon is on the customer and the environment.
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by kmlx 7y ago

_ph_ 7y ago

After Apple care expires, many repairs are so expensive that you have to consider the MB totalled, that means, you are throwing away a device that should be repairable. A keyboard exchange should cost between $100 and $200, not in excess of $600.

kmlx 7y ago
so basically the problem is offering cheaper repairs? that should be relatively easy to solve, no?
- GrayShade 7y ago
  Repairs are going to be expensive if you need to get a new motherboard to replace a single component.
  - kmlx 7y ago
    it all depends on second hand mac component prices. from my knowledge apple changes the casing and motherboard for almost every mac hardware update. thus making components more expensive (lower runs) and the re-sell value high. so for apple to allow replacing parts the backlash from a reduced re-sell price would need to be lower than the potential new avenues of 3rd party components and repairs.
    - GrayShade 7y ago
      > the backlash from a reduced re-sell price Users complaining that laptops are too easy to repair seems absurd to me but then again, I'm not an Apple customer.
      - kmlx 7y ago
        no one is complaining about that. if you want cheap devices that can be fixed by the side of the road there are countless windows laptops. countless. but when you've got a laptop that costs more to repair, then you can expect its re-sell value to stay high.
    - _ph_ 7y ago
      No, the resale value isn't high because they are difficult to repair. It would be the other way around. Currently, I wouldn't pay much for any Mac with a butterfly keyboard, as Apple only warrants it for 4 years and after that the machine is totalled.
      - kmlx 7y ago
        not difficult just expensive to repair. the cheaper it is to repair, the cheaper the device gets. the more expensive the repairs, the more expensive the device.
- _ph_ 7y ago
  That depends on Apple. If they are willing to repair a keyboard for like $150 and a broken SSD for what the SSD prices are going for at that time, at least the customers wouldn't be harmed by these design decisions. If Apple then would reuse the additional changed parts, then even the environment would benefit. But right now, all the burdon is on the customer and the environment.
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