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Repairability 1/10

by Basketb926 7y ago

Repairability 1/10

rahuldottech 7y ago
Unsure why this is getting downvotes. This is literally the conclusion of the article/video.
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sigzero 7y ago
Yeah, not surprising. That isn't Apple's focus on their product lines at all.
mikepurvis 7y ago
Also known as "better include the three years of Apple Care coverage in the cost of the computer."
- dijit 7y ago
  Three? Isn't it 2? (which overlaps with the mandatory 1yr warranty period)
  - kgermino 7y ago
    I think it varies by country. In the US it’s 2 years on top of the 1 year included warranty, so 3 total. You mention a mandatory 1 year so I assume you’re non-US and I don’t know what it would be for you.
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  - ihuman 7y ago
    It's 3 years for me (US), but it might be worded differently if you get a mandatory 1 year. https://www.apple.com/support/products/mac/ https://www.apple.com/support/products/mac/
  - mikepurvis 7y ago
    The maximum warranty period is 3 years, though obviously there are lots of ways to still hand yourself an expensive repair (spill soda on the keyboard, that kind of thing). Now, to be fair, I was a first-gen MacBook owner, and suffered from the issue with the magnetic latch cracking the topcase plastic and the plastic itself getting stained. I'm pretty sure I had that topcase replaced at least four or five times over the course of the computer's life, several of them out of the Apple Care period. That was a while ago, but at least back then, Apple were good about taking care of people once they'd come around to acknowledging a flaw.
MegaDeKay 7y ago
Not sure why you were being downvoted. That was iFixit's final repairability score. Their summary... Pluses: The trackpad can still be removed and replaced with very little drama. Minuses Minor components are modular, but the processor, RAM, and flash memory are soldered to the logic board. Glue and/or rivets secure the keyboard, battery, speakers, and Touch Bar, making those components a tricky fix. The Touch ID sensor is the power switch and is locked to the logic board, greatly complicating repairs.
- JustSomeNobody 7y ago
  > Not sure why you were being downvoted. HN is not without it's fanboys. Or it could just be that it was presented as a fact with no surround discussion? No HN value-add, as it were.
  - beatgammit 7y ago
    The facts were in the article, OP was just highlighting an interesting part of the article.
JBiserkov 7y ago
I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(15-inch)+Teardown/127277 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...
- robin_reala 7y ago
  Lowest score at ifixit is actually 0. Somewhat coincidentally, that’s the score the original Surface Laptop got: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92915 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Tea...
  - hu3 7y ago
    Interesting to see that Microsoft improved Surface repairability from 0 to 5 while making it lighter than latest MacBook which scores 1.
- htk 7y ago
  Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.
  - jmfayard 7y ago
    It's not a free market. Apple has a monopoly on Mac OS alas. Most people don't change their operating system and habits just like that.
    - henryfjordan 7y ago
      You can totally run Windows or Linux on a macbook with some effort. Apple even built Bootcamp to make it easy to dual boot... Or are you saying you should be able to take OSX elsewhere? it's not a "monopoly" that Apple built OSX and only support it on their own hardware. It is not monopolistic to build something supported on one platform and not others.
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lordnacho 7y ago
Some people don't mind throwing a few grand every couple of years on a new machine. You see the same with the phones, they cost a fair bit but people just buy them anyway. A little annoying that certain things aren't simple a socket that can be replaced though.
- reaperducer 7y ago
  That's an interesting point. I'm one of those people who pays ~$60/month on Apple's 0% iPhone loan plan. When my phone is paid off in a couple of months I would gladly pay $100/month for a 0% Apple loan on a low- to mid-range MacBook. I wonder if this will ever become an option.
  - wasdfff 7y ago
    Why not buy new and resell every year? Should probably work out to be half the monthly price at least. Sheesh.

Repairability 1/10

rahuldottech 7y ago

Unsure why this is getting downvotes. This is literally the conclusion of the article/video.

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sigzero 7y ago

Yeah, not surprising. That isn't Apple's focus on their product lines at all.

mikepurvis 7y ago

Also known as "better include the three years of Apple Care coverage in the cost of the computer."

dijit 7y ago
Three? Isn't it 2? (which overlaps with the mandatory 1yr warranty period)
- kgermino 7y ago
  I think it varies by country. In the US it’s 2 years on top of the 1 year included warranty, so 3 total. You mention a mandatory 1 year so I assume you’re non-US and I don’t know what it would be for you.
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- ihuman 7y ago
  It's 3 years for me (US), but it might be worded differently if you get a mandatory 1 year. https://www.apple.com/support/products/mac/ https://www.apple.com/support/products/mac/
- mikepurvis 7y ago
  The maximum warranty period is 3 years, though obviously there are lots of ways to still hand yourself an expensive repair (spill soda on the keyboard, that kind of thing). Now, to be fair, I was a first-gen MacBook owner, and suffered from the issue with the magnetic latch cracking the topcase plastic and the plastic itself getting stained. I'm pretty sure I had that topcase replaced at least four or five times over the course of the computer's life, several of them out of the Apple Care period. That was a while ago, but at least back then, Apple were good about taking care of people once they'd come around to acknowledging a flaw.

MegaDeKay 7y ago

Not sure why you were being downvoted. That was iFixit's final repairability score. Their summary... Pluses: The trackpad can still be removed and replaced with very little drama. Minuses Minor components are modular, but the processor, RAM, and flash memory are soldered to the logic board. Glue and/or rivets secure the keyboard, battery, speakers, and Touch Bar, making those components a tricky fix. The Touch ID sensor is the power switch and is locked to the logic board, greatly complicating repairs.

JustSomeNobody 7y ago
> Not sure why you were being downvoted. HN is not without it's fanboys. Or it could just be that it was presented as a fact with no surround discussion? No HN value-add, as it were.
- beatgammit 7y ago
  The facts were in the article, OP was just highlighting an interesting part of the article.

JBiserkov 7y ago

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(15-inch)+Teardown/127277 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

robin_reala 7y ago
Lowest score at ifixit is actually 0. Somewhat coincidentally, that’s the score the original Surface Laptop got: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92915 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Tea...
- hu3 7y ago
  Interesting to see that Microsoft improved Surface repairability from 0 to 5 while making it lighter than latest MacBook which scores 1.
htk 7y ago
Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.
- jmfayard 7y ago
  It's not a free market. Apple has a monopoly on Mac OS alas. Most people don't change their operating system and habits just like that.
  - henryfjordan 7y ago
    You can totally run Windows or Linux on a macbook with some effort. Apple even built Bootcamp to make it easy to dual boot... Or are you saying you should be able to take OSX elsewhere? it's not a "monopoly" that Apple built OSX and only support it on their own hardware. It is not monopolistic to build something supported on one platform and not others.

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lordnacho 7y ago

Some people don't mind throwing a few grand every couple of years on a new machine. You see the same with the phones, they cost a fair bit but people just buy them anyway. A little annoying that certain things aren't simple a socket that can be replaced though.

reaperducer 7y ago
That's an interesting point. I'm one of those people who pays ~$60/month on Apple's 0% iPhone loan plan. When my phone is paid off in a couple of months I would gladly pay $100/month for a 0% Apple loan on a low- to mid-range MacBook. I wonder if this will ever become an option.
- wasdfff 7y ago
  Why not buy new and resell every year? Should probably work out to be half the monthly price at least. Sheesh.