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A bit of local context. The Brazilian president accused Green Peace in staging the accident. Also according to Bolsanaro fish are not dumb and if they see oil t

A bit of local context. The Brazilian president accused Green Peace in staging the accident. Also according to Bolsanaro fish are not dumb and if they see oil they are going to avoid it (that was a real treasure for memes).

joelvalleroy 7y ago
Can they see the oil? I read mobile fish can avoid it, but shellfish and such can't move that fast if they're already in it. https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/documents-guides/environmental-effects/effects-in-offshore-and-coastal-waters/ https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/documents-guides/e...
- edjrage 7y ago
  You don't even have to dispute him. He rarely has any clue of what he talks about, and that's blatantly true here when he believes oil spillings are all about "fish".
- pvaldes 7y ago
  Is more about taste than sight
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  This is the bullshit asymmetry principle at work: The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it. a/k/a Brandolino's Law. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/01/28/bullshit-asymmetry-principle/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/01/28/bullshit-a... The claim is bullshit. We know it's bullshit. Refuting it ties up resources and conversations. Flag it as bullshit and move on. See also burden of proof fallacy: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/222/Shifting-of-the-Burden-of-Proof https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...
gtirloni 7y ago
I wonder when the middle class and the entrepreneurs will realize the price was too high for the promise of reforms. I won't comment on other countries but the 2018 elections in Brazil are a warning for all people that think voting for an "outsider" is the way to solve problems. Fun fact, Bolsonaro has been a politician for 28 years but still ran the campaign on the "outsider" message. Reason #1 I'm avoiding the news, I just want 2022 to be here soon.
- adnzzzzZ 7y ago
  Economically Brazil has been considerably better since he got elected and most things seem to be moving in the right direction. What exactly is this cost that you mentioned?
  - duxup 7y ago
    Considering the comment he responded to I interpreted the cost being ... the truth. Toss out the truth and I'm not sure you can count on anything.
  - seminatl 7y ago
    The guy has been in office for 10 months. The projected 2019 GDP growth is less than actual 2018 growth. Latest available unemployment rate was the same as the rate from the year prior. Which aspect of the Brazilian economy strikes you as considerably better?
  - gota 7y ago
    Debatable at best. 1- Employment is slightly increasing but still tragically low. Whatever gains in employment are coming from loss of worker rights. 2- Record historical inequality and increasing means unavoidable civil unrest in the future 3- Inflation is down due to idle capacity, not increasing production 4- Stock market is up at the cost of (the promise of) privatization of oil and profitable public companies 5- Goods and services consumption going up with mean household income going down means people are selling dinner to buy lunch - the government is allowing people to spend their government pension deposits again. Didn't work for long when they did it in 2018, won't work now
bobowzki 7y ago
Bolsonaro never fails to surprise...
- paulddraper 7y ago
  It's unsurprising it is a surprise?
williamxd3 7y ago
the price was even higher to stay with the same party
pvaldes 7y ago
Bolsonaro has a long history of not having the slightest clue about how to manage an ecological emergency.
- dyingkneepad 7y ago
  Bolsonaro has a long history of not having the slightest clue about *.
- deleted 7y ago
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joelvalleroy 7y ago

Can they see the oil? I read mobile fish can avoid it, but shellfish and such can't move that fast if they're already in it. https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/documents-guides/environmental-effects/effects-in-offshore-and-coastal-waters/ https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/documents-guides/e...

edjrage 7y ago
You don't even have to dispute him. He rarely has any clue of what he talks about, and that's blatantly true here when he believes oil spillings are all about "fish".
pvaldes 7y ago
Is more about taste than sight
dredmorbius 7y ago
This is the bullshit asymmetry principle at work: The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it. a/k/a Brandolino's Law. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/01/28/bullshit-asymmetry-principle/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/01/28/bullshit-a... The claim is bullshit. We know it's bullshit. Refuting it ties up resources and conversations. Flag it as bullshit and move on. See also burden of proof fallacy: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/222/Shifting-of-the-Burden-of-Proof https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFalla...

gtirloni 7y ago

I wonder when the middle class and the entrepreneurs will realize the price was too high for the promise of reforms. I won't comment on other countries but the 2018 elections in Brazil are a warning for all people that think voting for an "outsider" is the way to solve problems. Fun fact, Bolsonaro has been a politician for 28 years but still ran the campaign on the "outsider" message. Reason #1 I'm avoiding the news, I just want 2022 to be here soon.

adnzzzzZ 7y ago
Economically Brazil has been considerably better since he got elected and most things seem to be moving in the right direction. What exactly is this cost that you mentioned?
- duxup 7y ago
  Considering the comment he responded to I interpreted the cost being ... the truth. Toss out the truth and I'm not sure you can count on anything.
- seminatl 7y ago
  The guy has been in office for 10 months. The projected 2019 GDP growth is less than actual 2018 growth. Latest available unemployment rate was the same as the rate from the year prior. Which aspect of the Brazilian economy strikes you as considerably better?
- gota 7y ago
  Debatable at best. 1- Employment is slightly increasing but still tragically low. Whatever gains in employment are coming from loss of worker rights. 2- Record historical inequality and increasing means unavoidable civil unrest in the future 3- Inflation is down due to idle capacity, not increasing production 4- Stock market is up at the cost of (the promise of) privatization of oil and profitable public companies 5- Goods and services consumption going up with mean household income going down means people are selling dinner to buy lunch - the government is allowing people to spend their government pension deposits again. Didn't work for long when they did it in 2018, won't work now

bobowzki 7y ago

Bolsonaro never fails to surprise...

paulddraper 7y ago
It's unsurprising it is a surprise?

williamxd3 7y ago

the price was even higher to stay with the same party

pvaldes 7y ago

Bolsonaro has a long history of not having the slightest clue about how to manage an ecological emergency.

dyingkneepad 7y ago
Bolsonaro has a long history of not having the slightest clue about *.
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